[Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed

[Joel Madero]

A big +1 to everything Jay wrote. Change in of itself will cause angst for
some users but that is the nature of our project. With the tremendous
amount of statistics backing Jay's proposal, I give a thumbs up.

That being said - why isn't UX included in on this discussion? This isn't
really a QA issue at all ;)


Best,
Joel


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/27/2014 12:06 PM, Tommy wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:22:18 +0200, Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > experienced UI users would not take any benefit from a change since they
> > will keep using their custom preset
>
> The advantage would be that they would have less buttons to add/remove
> from the toolbars than they usually do, as your toolbar screenshot
> showed. :)
>
> > unexperienced user who never customized the toolbar could be disoriented
> > by the new setup, thinking some buttons have been "removed"
>
> Well change isnt a bad thing if it makes things better for users, which
> is why we have new features added to libreoffice on each release.
> Unexperienced users who never use buttons like data sources or
> navigator, would benefit from buttons like insert image and insert
> footnote. The toolbars havent been update in 9 years and with statistics
> on how often users use the toolbar buttons, there are benefits to
> revamping the toolbars. And with everyone taking notice of the new
> toolbars, they will look at it with a new set of eyes to see what new
> functionality has been brought to it.
>
> >> And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar, they go
> >> through the menus looking for the functionality.
> >
> > if they never customized it before why should they do it after you
> > change the default set?
>
> The text you quoted doesnt correspond to your reply. The text you quoted
> relates to the current toolbar and when users dont find a suitable
> button in it, they go to the menu to get the functionality they need.
>
> Regarding your reply, users who never changed their toolbar would likely
> not change the new set, but they have the ability to change it if they
> choose, just like they currently have with the current set. You have
> stated previously, "I think it's up to the user to decide which button
> he needs and which he doesn't." and this choice isnt being taken from
> the user with the new set.
>
> > prepare to see useless bug reports about "button" is missing (which is
> > not) etc. etc.
>
> Of course a number of users will complain about any change that is made,
> this always happens. I had a bug report that a keyboard user was no
> longer able to navigate the Character dialog as he used to with a
> previous version [bug 80612]:
>
> "... but what I used to be able to do doesn't work anymore, namely press
> Tab three times to get to Effects and then press down to get to small
> caps: that window doesn't get focus."
>
> With the ability for them to customize the toolbars, they can revert the
> changes they wish to revert. Ultimately, you cant please everyone but
> the changes are being made to benefit the majority of users. There must
> have been people who complained when the toolbars were last changed when
> OOo 2.0 was released. You even have users who prefer toolbars and menus
> over the ribbon UI, which is why you have addons that bring back this
> functionality.
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*Joel Madero*
LibreOffice QA Volunteer
jmadero.dev at gmail.com
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