[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Feb 18 16:38:02 UTC 2016
* Present:
+ Sophie, Norbert, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Eike, Christian, JanI, Robinson,
Jacobo, Noel, Caolan, Michael S, David
* Completed Action Items:
+ drop CC of dev-list on easy-hacks (JanI)
[ + and CC himself.
Robinson is looking into that, requires admin privs (jani)
Done (Robinson) ]
+ GSOC application submission (JanI)
AI: [ Review it (Thorsten) ]
+ Update/fix: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas (All)
[ looks good (JanI) ]
+ send Xisco a welcome to committers E-mail (Bjoern)
+ build new easy-hacks reportage into
dev-tools/scripts/esc-bug-stats.pl ONO (JanI)
[ written and included here ].
+ add wiki page for Turkish hack-fest (Bjoern)
[ draft at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
(date and location not yet confirmed) - April/May dates open ? ]
* Pending Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers: post list to UX team (Kendy)
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
* no release plan in wiki for 5.2, 5.3 ...
AI: [ update planned tomorrow cloning 5.0 and 5.1 ? (Cloph) ]
+ 5.0.5 released Monday on website.
+ not ideal wrt. security (Bjoern)
+ we setup embargo date - but by that date we hadn't released.
+ need to improve this.
+ agreed; missed delayed 5.0.5 (Cloph)
+ not aware of the delay
+ delayed by having 5.1 delayed
=> all Michael's fault again :-) (Norbert)
+ any process to improve tracking ? (Michael)
+ announced we'd do silent updated anyway (Bjoern)
+ so set embargo dates to be a week later.
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.1 RC2 due next week
+ first build with Jan - prolly tag will be Wed to avoid late nights.
+ Late Features:
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ ... debugging & work - some Intel fixing ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still not done ... ]
+ URL for the online documentation needs change (Bjoern)
[ still pending ]
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates planned after testing.
* Documentation (Kendy)
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten, JanI)
+ Suggestion for Org. descrtiption and application pending review
- There is a question about failure rate I cannot answer (jani)
- Texts need to be controlled to ensure they represent the correct opinion (jani)
+ Urgent: please update & fix before Feb 8th:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: JanIV, Moggi, Thorsten
* MSVC 14.0 / Drop MSVC 12.0 on master (DavidO)
+ Improvement of C++14/C++17 standard
+ bit rotted on master: dozen compilation errors
+ Add Tinderbox to verify that it still works
+ After release of 5.1 consider to discontinue support for MSVC 12.0 on master
* Looks like it's impossible to manage the switch period
* both compilers could be installed (?) on the same machine, to still use old compiler on 5.1
+ Duplicated Python 3.3/3.5 trees, because upstream dropped support for MSVC 12.0
+ plan was to use Windows Server 2016 + update baseline (Cloph)
+ can setup the tech. preview 4 of Win. Server 2016 & have a t-box.
+ but not convinced on deprecation yet.
+ does 5.0 build with VS 2015 ? (Norbert)
+ No. Requires Python 3.5
Only build on master
+ if so, with the 2x new Windows box showing up
+ install VS 2015 there.
+ then take two others off-line & upgrade them too.
+ even on master - with just VS 2015 - still have issues (Miklos)
+ would be good for now to have a tinderbox to stop it breaking.
+ not fond of multiple versions of compiler (Norbert)
+ can hide problems.
+ concerned we test with only the new compiler (Miklos)
+ new Win boxes physically arrived
+ being moved around at Manitu right now with Alex.
=> put Win Server 2016 Preview 4 + VS 2015
- and bring them on-line and see how it goes.
+ if problems building with 5.0 and 5.1 - re-think.
+ is it confirmed 5.0 builds with VS 2015 ? (Norbert)
+ No. Requires Python 3.5
Only build on master
+ only 1x release left of 5.0.x - anyway (Cloph)
+ to mid April/May.
=> defer update until then.
+ can we somehow restore Thorsten's t-box vs. 2015 ? (Michael)
+ Thorsten's TB was shut down because of devenv.exe invocation
(mst__ has an idea how to fix it?)
+ no idea (mst).
+ migrating slaves of jenkins infra - is a bigger deal - needs a single
toolchain that builds all relevant versions (Norbert).
AI: => will setup a tinderbox VM for VS. 2015 (Cloph)
+ would be good to back-port fixes to 5.1 too to be prepared for May.
* Gerrit bits (DavidO)
+ the ask:
+ Gerrit Upgrade 2.11.7
+ Configure/Deploy gerrit-oauth-plugin for GitHub+Google
auth support
+ together these:
+ bring support back for Google OAuth2 authentication
+ add support for GitHub accounts
+ inline edit (small fixes directly in the browser)
=> significantly decreasing entry-level barrier
for new contributors
+ Rebase Dialog rework: Now it's possible to change the parent of a change in browser
+ infra-call yesterday (Cloph)
+ decided to do the update by setting up a new box.
+ down-time of a couple of hours to transfer the data across.
+ planned for 1st week of March - 2x week with no release due.
+ missed the call yesterday (Norbert)
+ fine with it; but testing is a pain wrt. OpenID.
+ we'll find a way.
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ some unhappiness wrt. theming and firefox themes
+ new UI that is there, asks Mozilla APIs
+ results are not ideal, and slow.
+ could we have cached local themes to fix that ? (Michael)
+ design team could come up with some few pretty ones.
+ might be a solution (Kendy)
+ allow putting the URL for more bits too.
+ get a more concise proposal in the design meeting
+ could we put themes in the extensions repo ? (Bjoern)
+ it is possible to install them via extensions.
+ could we kill the UI for it too ?
+ install & choose currently (Kendy)
+ perhaps drop URL from themes; iterate.
+ default fonts
+ Jay - some proposals;
1. use C* equivalents -> interoperable.
2. droid fonts
3. noto sans, serif, cousine.
+ interoperability: important.
+ design issues with that, coverage in cyrillic not ideal.
AI: + create a tender to improve fonts for the board (Design Team)
+ draw survey follow-ups
+ if you have thoughts: fill out the survey.
http://go.mail-archive.com/iGBG90Az0giFsfvwbNgG144R93U=
+ and some GSOC Ideas added too.
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 7 import failures, 0 export failures, 81 coverity
+ no export crashes; 7 import - but 2x problems
+ one calc, one SVG (asked Xisco)
+ coverity (java-ness) still shrinking.
* Graphite2 update (Caolan)
+ 1.3.5 upgraded in 5.0 series as well.
+ but not released yet.
+ expect to update again for 5.0.6
+ was the ver bump tricky ? (Bjoern)
+ fairly trivial, back-ported the core changes just in-case (Caolan)
+ but not for distro builds.
* Budgeting due 2016-03-02 (Norbert)
http://go.mail-archive.com/C4JY2lEMJJmaofTKID6TmdJPlqc=
+ hackfests -> mostly in a 'community event' thing
AI: + come up with a hackfest 2016 travel estimate (Bjoern)
+ each hack-fest around Eur 1k or so.
+ marketing event -> talk to others wrt. the project.
+ infra bucket (good whack of H/W bits coming)
+ planning is good here (Norbert)
+ with 2x new windows machines coming
easier to take 1x jenkins off-line if transient need
for raw horsepower.
+ ie. if you need a fast machine for a bit -> ping Norbert.
+ VMs for hack-fests ? (Bjoern)
+ best not to use intensively; expensive (Michael, Norbert)
+ extra hardware for sanitizer builds would be good (Caolan)
+ ubsan & asan - already happening each day (Norbert)
+ fine with the current setup (Stephan)
+ looking at fuzzing in the b/g at low prio (Norbert)
+ Doxygen API generation ? (Bjoern)
+ done by Miklos just now - would like to hand it to sysadmin
+ assuming it will get run regularly.
+ http://docs.libreoffice.org/
+ some multi-GB doxygen output - lots of images.
AI: + talk with Norbert to hand it over to sysadmin (Miklos)
+ constrain to 1x core & run for a day (Norbert)
+ Client pieces ? (Michael)
+ fast PCs for penniless students ?
+ SSDs for QA people
+ can be for some people; bibisect etc. (Robinson)
+ other H/W could serve a purpose.
+ feedback from Stuart & Raal - really useful (Sophie)
AI: + some budget here (Michael)
+ Closing the Mac gap (Kendy)
+ if you will fix the search-bar paste issue get a Mac.
+ have some mac-mini's that are under-used (Norbert)
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ankara, Turkey
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
+ talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
+ suggested date: 2016-04-30
+ concrete volunteer mentors?
+ Jan-Marek maybe, moggi after March, 12th
+ will send a Collaboran (Michael)
+ weekend or not ? what preference ?
+ like in the week (Michael)
+ German Community event in Essen
+ would be good to have developers there too ...
+ Gran Canaria hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ why are we doing this again ? (Michael)
+ not an official hack-fest.
+ April 6-8th (7-9th) possibly
+ Plan is to craft it according to the Japanese
Mini-Conference, with a broader local community appeal
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/LibreOffice_Espania_Summit
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ Weekend doodle: https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/LiMux_Hackfest_May_2016/
+ 19-21 or 27-29
+ smaller amount of space available this year (Jan-Marek)
+ maybe some general community event around that? (Bjoern)
+ it is a general event, not LO specific (Jan-Marek)
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ gerrit: 152 open patches of which 96 can be merged if no open comments
70 from contributors of which 42 can be merged if no open comments
+ added new tool dev-tools/scripts/esc-mentoring.py, to help daily work
+ cf. output below.
+ saving time each morning.
+ Have abandoned 2 month old gerrit patches - 3-4 of them.
+ pinged assigned easyhacks older than a month
+ pinged to see if they are still active; all released -> for others.
+ Started discussion on how to update many comments in BZ.
+ deleting comments not the way to go -> go to new issues in place of them.
+ keeping history in the old issue.
+ CC-0 license caused a mail thread (and private mails), wiki says:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers#Example_Code_Contributor_Statement
+ would feel a lot happier with an MPL license for non-art/templates (Michael)
+ Our wiki recommend a commit text structure, a mail thread indicates it is incorrect:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved#4._Submit_the_patch
+ describe what you did not the bug itself (Norbert)
+ good to use common-sense (Miklos)
=> soften "it is important to" -> "we recommend that you"
+ the only hard & fast rule -> put the tdf# in there (Norbert)
+ useful for automation; and tracking fixes through infra.
+ rest is hard to specify - good commit msgs are an art.
+ bear in mind you'll read it yourself in a few years (Michael)
+ will you grok it then ?
+ doesn't say about the line-length (Jacobo)
=> add the first line-length 72 chars in there. (the others 80 )
* Easy hacks not showing up (Michael)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks/by_Required_Skill/Skill_C%2B%2B
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1709
+ ticket is closed.
+ status assigned, or no skill - doesn't show up (JanI)
+ what numbers (JanIV)
+ tdf#97975 and tdf#97973 (Michael)
+ limits to 20-25 entries ... (Cloph)
AI: + update it (JanI)
+ problem with slow Bugzilla queries ? (Bjoern)
+ suggestion - send people to the other wiki page
+ more qualified C++ eg.
+ tried that didn't work (Michael)
* l10n Update (Sophie)
+ nothing new for now; work going on.
* Commit Access
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ pending next cycle.
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
from:Thu Feb 11 15:00:27 2016
master linux rel jobs:175 ok:151 ko:24 fail ratio:13.71% break:9 broken duration:10.77%
master linux dbg jobs:140 ok:132 ko:8 fail ratio:5.71% break:7 broken duration:2.57%
master mac rel jobs:169 ok:163 ko:5 fail ratio:2.95% break:2 broken duration:0.59%
master mac dbg jobs:169 ok:163 ko:5 fail ratio:2.95% break:2 broken duration:0.72%
master win rel jobs:147 ok:140 ko:7 fail ratio:4.76% break:3 broken duration:1.85%
master win dbg jobs:131 ok:106 ko:25 fail ratio:19.08% break:6 broken duration:27.9%
master win64 dbg jobs:140 ok:117 ko:23 fail ratio:16.42% break:4 broken duration:26.82%
lo-5.0 mac jobs:10 ok:10 ko:0 fail ratio:0% break:0 broken duration:0%
gerrit win rel jobs:247 ok:213 ko:31 fail ratio:12.55%
gerrit lin rel jobs:251 ok:216 ko:34 fail ratio:13.54%
gerrit mac rel jobs:251 ok:226 ko:25 fail ratio:9.96%
gerrit all jobs:247 ok:185 ko:58 fail ratio:23.48%
+ quite a good week.
+ windows skewed by warning as error over the weekend.
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
easyHacks: total 305: 286 waiting for contributor, 10 Assigned to contributors, 6 need info
cleanup: 203 has more than 4 comments, 281 needs to be reviewed
new last 8 days:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97803 mentor:d.ostrovsky -> "gbuild: check that everything in instdir/ ends up packaged in the end"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97703 mentor:sbergman -> "EasyHack: Remove empty setUp/tearDown overrides from CppUnit test code"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97748 mentor:michael.meeks -> "unit-test to check graphics ..."
need info (mentor or code pointer), please help:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57174 mentor:harman.eric -> "When Opening Any Dialog the First Value in the Dialog Should be Selected"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79924 mentor:alban.crequy -> "LibreOffice should use stemp in other directories than $HOME first"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66876 mentor:idler.1st -> "[Sidebar] Large icons are not used"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97803 mentor:d.ostrovsky -> "gbuild: check that everything in instdir/ ends up packaged in the end"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38887 mentor:bjoern.michaelsen -> "Improvement of SmNodeToTextVisitor"
=> one of the ancients ones, thus not mine, see also comment 8 (Bjoern)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67544 mentor:kobzeci -> "FILESAVE: Slide transistion sound(other sound) is not included in presentation file"
+ http://bit.ly/1mpGhJx
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg.
"easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
(or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 653
+ enhancements: 57
+ in ux-advise: 31
+ needAdvice at 25
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#96300 - Wrong hyphenation in German and Italian text using the MS-font “Calibri” and TDF “Carlito”
(ligatures duplicated at end and start of line)
+ Cloph: higher importance
+ tdf#56544 - FILEOPEN: Lock file is not created on samba share (via gvfs)
[ fixed thanks to Stephan ]
+ tdf#95709 - [DISPLAY] Presentation mode renders graphics wrong
+ Armin / Thorsten ?
+ tdf#96172 - Crash in layout SwSectionFrame after opening particular document
+ ODT crash [was: Crash on opening DOCX]
+ bibisected;
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL languages
+ Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ (Still?) PENDING: AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too
+ Jan-Marek watching this, but short on time currently
+ maybe to do test build, and find interest in testing? (Bjoern)
+ no infra for that though (Bjoern)
+ pushing to master is fine (Kendy)
+ tdf#96847 - Android viewer crashes on every file (android 4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Crash persists with daily builds (2016-02-18)
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+212 -124 (+88 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Beluga 21
Michael Meeks 15
Maxim Monastirsky 7
raal 6
Joel Madero 5
Luke 4
V Stuart Foote 4
Cor Nouws 4
tommy27 3
Olivier Hallot 3
David Tardon 3
m.a.riosv 3
Xisco Faulí 2
Michael Stahl 2
Stephan Bergmann 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 1/4 - 25% +0
5.1: 2/25 - 8% +0
5.0: 9/52 - 17% +0
4.4: 12/75 - 16% -1
4.3: 6/68 - 8% +0
4.2: 11/134 - 8% +0
4.1: 4/79 - 5% +0
4.0: 10/81 - 12% +0
old: 39/248 - 15% +0
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
+ 403/1260 398/1248 402/1247 408/1242 409/1238 406/1229 353/1140
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 767(+9) bugs open of 4693(+17) total 34(-2) high prio.
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
Calc - 14 (+0)
Writer - 10 (-1)
LibreOffice - 5 (+0)
Base - 2 (+0)
Impress - 2 (+0)
Extensions - 1 (+0)
Draw - 0 (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
* ~Component count net * all regressions
Writer - 234 (+0)
Calc - 162 (+3)
Crashes - 56 (+0)
LibreOffice - 54 (-1)
Impress - 51 (+2)
UI - 43 (-1)
graphics stack - 38 (+2)
Borders - 33 (+0)
Draw - 27 (+0)
Base - 28 (+2)
filters and storage - 19 (+0)
BASIC - 15 (-1)
Chart - 15 (+0)
Printing and PDF export- 11 (+0)
Formula Editor - 6 (+0)
Linguistic - 5 (+0)
Extensions - 3 (+0)
Installation - 2 (+0)
sdk - 1 (+0)
framework - 1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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