[Libreoffice-qa] Next level of QA and how to get there

Alex Kempshall alexkempshall at btinternet.com
Mon Jun 25 07:13:28 UTC 2018 

Hi Xisco

I would have liked to have listened in on tomorrows meeting, 
unfortunately I have to be elsewhere.

Back in 2016 Buovjaga wrote this to me

> mailmerge testing is very valuable as it is a complex feature and typically not
> many QA members like to tackle it.
>
> On IRC, there are usually people active during European waking hours. Jan-Marek
> Glogowski is a developer doing a lot for mailmerge (working for City of Munich).
> He also hangs out at the QA IRC channel, using the nickname jmux. He is
> currently on vacation (a week still), but still seems to be joining IRC now and
> then.
>
> I have triaged a lot of mailmerge issues myself, even though I don't use the
> feature.
>
> On IRC you could get guidance on how to bisect the regressions you find.
> Bisecting is very helpful as it pinpoints the offending commit.
> Here is our info page on (bi)bisecting aka binary bisecting:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect

Would like to help where I can, but my time is limited.

I am keeping an eye on MailMerge and database activity, mainly because 
I'm an active user of such things. Have in the past found problems in 
Stable that have take time to sort out. Never quite managed to do much 
testing in Alphas or Betas.

I've just got a successful compile of LO with --enable-kde5 and 
--enable-qt5. It looks quite a mess - is this expected? If not I will 
raise a bug report. I knew that Jan-Marek was taking an active interest 
in kde5 integration, but he is not active at the moment. Who's looking 
after kde integration at the moment. Had this message, a few days ago, 
from Katarina Behrens

> I'm looking into KDE5 implementation every day :D
> KDE5 filepicker just landed in master earlier this week. Sadly I don't have
> any screenshots at hand but Haiku developers do [1]
>
> [1]https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/waddlesplash/
> 2018-06-06_haiku_monthly_activity_report_-_052018/

I suppose what I'm saying is that when looking in from the outside it's 
very difficult to understand what's going on and where we are with 
LibreOffice

Alex


On 22/06/18 17:00, Xisco Fauli wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> In line with buovjaga's proposal, I would like to propose the next QA
> meeting ( June 26th at 15:00 UTC) to talk about more concrete actions
> and ideas...
>
> For instance, we could run the week/month of QA, similar to the Month Of
> LibreOffice, where we could try to put the list of unconfirmed bugs to
> 150/200 and engage new contributors in the project...
>
> It's just an idea but it could help the team to reach the steps
> described by Buovjaga in a reasonable amount of time.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
>
> El 14/06/18 a les 17:37, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha escrit:
>> Sure, the ultimate goal is that no one has to burn themselves out. If
>> you feel like it, use the "last month" query found here:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/GetInvolved#Find_unconfirmed_bugs
>>
>> Ilmari
>>
>> On 14.06.2018 18:33, Sophia Schröder wrote:
>>> Hi *,
>>>
>>> well, I could try to step my feeds in the field of "confirming bugs"
>>> too,
>>> given that Bugzilla and me are no best friends (too complicated by now).
>>>
>>> So providing a BZ query in this regard would help me.
>>> OTOH I am full with other stuff to do
>>> even RL and/or LO related so I cannot promise so much time.
>>>
>>> I am on Windows 10 64 Bit using LO 6.0.5.1 64 Bit too ATM.
>>> Printer: Canon Pixma MX925 4-in-1
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 14.06.2018 um 16:58 schrieb Ilmari Lauhakangas:
>>>> The idea is simply:
>>>> - what would it take to get to next levels
>>>> - how things would change in practice
>>>>
>>>> I just thought I would lay that out in public, so it will hopefully
>>>> inspire others to continue or get involved.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is free to draft their own plans. Personally, I am focusing
>>>> on VolunteerMatch. Over the years I have tried so many ways to
>>>> recruit that I've lost count and VM feels the most promising so far.
>>>>
>>>> Ilmari
>>>>
>>>> On 14.06.2018 17:36, dgp-mail at gmx.de wrote:
>>>>> I totally agree to all ideas and concrete aims, but is there a
>>>>> specific plan to reach the different milestones? If this is the
>>>>> case, it would be great to know something more about it. If there
>>>>> is now specific plan: What is the idea behind your email?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dieter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.06.2018 um 15:05 schrieb Ilmari Lauhakangas:
>>>>>> The impact of the QA team has been roughly on the same level for
>>>>>> four years and it is getting boring. Now that we have new
>>>>>> contributors trickling in through VolunteerMatch, we have some
>>>>>> hope of leveling up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does getting to the next level mean? Freedom. We will be able
>>>>>> to learn new skills and complete projects that have been
>>>>>> languishing in our TODOs for ages. Maybe even have time to read a
>>>>>> book or watch a movie (I know, preposterous).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will use unconfirmeds as a yardstick as that is something we can
>>>>>> all easily grasp.
>>>>>> The assumption is that we continue to get 500-800 reports per month.
>>>>>> A prerequisite to leveling up is that the triaging work is spread
>>>>>> evenly between contributors. In practice: only needing an average
>>>>>> rate of one triaged report per day per regular tester. This would
>>>>>> signal sustainability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we manage to keep the number of unconfirmeds below 100 for
>>>>>> several months, QA will have moved to the next level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The effects will be:
>>>>>> - no long periods of incomplete triaging (debug traces or bisects
>>>>>> missing)
>>>>>> - more people will get into writing UI tests
>>>>>> - we will have time to do manual tests before releases
>>>>>> - we will have time to think about and improve the presentation of
>>>>>> our work (stats, Dashboard), tech docs and the tools we use
>>>>>> (Bugzilla etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will require roughly ten more regular contributors compared
>>>>>> to the level of April 2018.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we manage to slam the unconfirmeds below 50, LibreOffice
>>>>>> itself will move to the next level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The effects:
>>>>>> - nearly instant triaging of incoming reports
>>>>>> - veteran contributors will move more and more into fixing bugs
>>>>>> and writing cppunit tests
>>>>>> - QA will bleed into other teams, filling the gaps - documentation
>>>>>> is a natural fit as testers are the first to deal with new
>>>>>> functionality and changes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will require twenty more regular contributors and among these
>>>>>> there has to be power users with knowledge of macros, UNO API,
>>>>>> databases, files over network, digital signatures and similar
>>>>>> advanced user topics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ilmari
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