[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2021-Apr-28

Heiko Tietze heiko.tietze at documentfoundation.org
Wed Apr 28 19:45:19 UTC 2021

Present: Eyal, Sascha, Heiko

General discussion

  * Procedure of handling closed topics
    + me doesn't close reopened tickets (Heiko)
      + trying to have not too many tickets requesting input from UX
    + UI changes that are not consensual - how are future suggestions
     for reversal treated (regardless of time)? (Eyal)
     + we have a democratic approach, if the majority of commenters
       have an opinion this is the way to go (whether to resolve or not)
     + meritocracy counts, experts' option are paramount
     + consistency is prime, changing things back and forth are bad

   + it's always legitimate to reopen/create tickets to reconsider decisions
     + however, convincing people from the opposite of the previous decisions
       takes much more persuasion; usually those tickets are quickly
       closed again
   + is there a formal procedure to file a bug? (Eyal)
     + everyone should be able to write down ideas; QA/UX asks back what the
       use case is, if it affects more users/use cases, and what a general
       solution might be
   + would be nice to have these information somewhere
     + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport is a guideline but
       maybe missing the point on enhancements
     => AI: expand on this


  * Drag and drop below the last position should place the caret at the end
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135905
    + allow or block dragging beyond the end of document
    + current situation allows to drop in the void and pasts at the end,
      which is convenient precision-wise (Sascha)
      + is drag/drop at the end of the document a common workflow? (Heiko)
      + yes, i do so often; in particular with images (Eyal, Sascha)
    + can follow the OP's idea of a clear workflow; position of caret is wrong
    + if we show the caret at the correct position at the end it might be
      a proper compromise (Eyal)
    => reopen the ticket and adjust the summary

  * Add indicator of text outside page boundary eg. due to negative indentation
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47718
    + Frames (without Autosize) show a red "text overflow" triangle; we should
      do the same on indentation beyond the canvas
    + the specific choice of a red color could be a bit annoying visually,
      somewhat garish (Eyal)
    + showing the triangle outside the document canvas wouldn't draw it over
      the text
    + do we need to allow overly low/high values at all? (Sascha)
      + IIRC, MSO allows to indent by ~10km ;-)
      + It's useful because the page width might change, and 'invalid' values
        may become valid again or vice-versa (Eyal)
    => do it

  * Add Gutter Margin in Page Margin drop down menu of layout tab of
    Tabbed interface
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141720
    + not needed in the floating widget as it's not a frequently used
      feature (Heiko, Sascha)
      + /ranting: this widget with quick access to properties seems to be
        a direct formatting but changes the page style and is wrong in the
        first place (Heiko)
      + nah, it's a useful thing to play with margins and see how it looks
        immediately, rather than guess, in the dialog, how the new margins will
        look when you close the dialog (Eyal)
    + it is well-known among the experts (Eyal)
    + widget is labeled "margins" (Sascha)
      + another tool/notebookbar item, named "Gutter", instead of the request of
        this bug? (Eyal)
      + same arguments, -1 (Heiko)
    + sympathize with the idea and my -1 is a weak one (Eyal)
      + notebookbar protagonists should make a statement
    => keep the ticket
  * Add a view option for 'Book view' to suppress page gutter
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140565
    + always show gutter; view menu is too long right now, users don't know
      book view mode neither gutter - but would be confronted on the menu 
    + would introduce an option to hide the gutter (Sascha)
    + show by default but bind to "Show Whitespace" (Eyal)
      + features are not related to each other (Heiko)
    + clicking on the gutter could collapse to a minimum and clicking this would
      expand back (Eyal)
      + requires a menu entry for a11y (Heiko)
    + no objection to the UNO command "Show Gutter" that can be customized
      somewhere (Heiko)
    => do so
  * Allow page gutter position 'Right' for left pages
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140568
    + important for RTL/LTR documents (Eyal)
    + left/right is supposed to be superseded by even/odd (Sascha)
    + perhaps "side" (and top) instead of left (Heiko)
    => let's discuss on BZ

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