[Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2021-12-02

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Dec 2 16:09:44 UTC 2021


* Present:
     + Heiko, Olivier, Sophie, Caolan, Cloph, Florian, Hossein, Xisco, Miklos, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Florian, Aron, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
     + None

* Pending Action Items:
     + None

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
     + 7.2 status: 7.2.4 rc1 next week
     + 7.3 status: rc1 from libreoffice-7-3 in 3 weeks
       + late feature request: re-enable inline fieldmark support
         (https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/125558) (Thorsten)
       + nss: upgrade to release 3.73 (Thorsten)
         + don't think Windows is affected in the LO use-case (Miklos)
         + how urgent it is to update? (Thorsten)
           + the scope is signature verification (Michael S)
         + would prefer an answer ASAP, the upstream advisory mentions us
         + couple of dealing with this: (Cloph)
           + hotfix way: tag + just cherry-pick the fix
           + create a proper rc1 and fast-track it (7.1.7 and 7.2.4)
           + is it safer to go the hotfix way? (Caolan)
             + complicates the updater & can confuse users
           + 7.1 is EOL 2 days ago (Xisco)
             + no cross-updating is enabled yet (Cloph)
         + strongly recommend not leaving 7.1 un-updated (Thorsten)
         => middle-ground: bump the version but go the hotfix way (all)
     + Remotes: Android, iOS
     + Android viewer

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + New Help: no news
     + Helcontents2
        + Refactors (johnny_M, ohallot)
        + New pages for ScriptForge (R. Lima, A. Romedenne, flywire)
        + Updates (ohallot)
     + Guides
        + work in progress
        + Discussions on Base Guide
     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         253(253) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week    1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     16(7)      37(6)    108(-4)     329(-1)
          commented     29(-16)   152(23)   453(-18)   1682(-17)
           resolved      6(5)      17(4)     48(0)      200(1)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Olivier Hallot made 28 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
           JO3EMC made 17 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 17 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 17 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 15 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
           Tomoyuki Kubota made 6 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 5 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
           Wolfgang Jäger made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
           Alain Romedenne made 4 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 157(157) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
              added      6(-4)    15(-1)    29(-2)      90(-7)
          commented     74(-2)   230(34)   553(-9)    3120(13)
            removed      1(1)      2(1)      4(0)       37(1)
           resolved     11(3)     32(8)     79(3)      443(3)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 145 changes in 1 month, and 2141 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 34 changes in 1 month, and 369 changes in 1 year
           Telesto made 29 changes in 1 month, and 598 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 26 changes in 1 month, and 276 changes in 1 year
           Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 555 changes in 1 year
           Roman Kuznetsov made 22 changes in 1 month, and 240 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 17 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
           *UNKNOWN* made 15 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
           Budea, Áron made 14 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 13 changes in 1 month, and 167 changes in 1 year

     + New tickets with needsUXEval Nov/25-Dec/02

       [Bug 145819] at insert a rotated image, yes and no are reversed
       [Bug 145990] Change Tab color dialog for sheet color selection to some
                    sub menu color palette
       [Bug 117484] Clicking into a cell of table will select the full table instead of
                    entering the corresponding cell
   ->  [Bug 145730] Flip Impress templates when locale setting is set to RTL language
       + would prefer RTL templates instead (Heiko)
       + should take a look at what PowerPoint does (Hossein)
       [Bug 145978] Macro Selector should remember last run module/macro
       [Bug 145977] Modules shown in the Macro Selector should be sorted alphabetically
       [Bug 145976] Description box on Macro Selector should have fixed height
       [Bug 145848] Don't close macro selector when editing macros
   ->  [Bug 145931] Auto-capitalize activated when pressing CTRL+ENTER in a merged cell
                    for splitting text manually after exit (in Calc)
       + suggest to not tweak the text on "end text edit" (Heiko)
       [Bug 138726] mixing paragraph styles gets weird format values
       [Bug 139395] Writer Paragraph Style dialog is too tall: OK/Cancel buttons are
                    not visible

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 7(+0) import failure, 5(+1) export failures
          + extra crash not reproducible by dev, possible follow up patch will resolve it
     + 1 coverity issues
     + 9 ossfuzz issues
          + 5 hangs, 2 OOM, 2 crashes

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.1.7.2
          + (+246) 1086 840 472 186 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.2.2
          + (-347) 2431 2778 2432 2069 1536 1134 752 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.3.2
          + (+1144) 1144 0
    + not very useful info, signatures are missing -> hopefully just a matter of time to wait

* Mentoring/EasyHack update (Hossein)
           committer...   1 week     1 month    3 months    12 months
                   open      69(21)     103(21)    134(21)      196(18)
                reviews     358(-10)   1256(96)   3196(-88)    9398(226)
                 merged     364(29)    1509(67)   3861(49)    11424(359)
              abandoned      19(4)       57(9)     137(13)      533(18)
            own commits     288(20)    1218(29)   3220(22)    12822(50)
         review commits      81(-23)    487(43)   1054(-17)    4236(-7)
         contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      25(-16)     65(-9)     115(-10)     172(-8)
                reviews     968(128)   3348(222)   8586(108)   25642(814)
                 merged      24(-7)     154(8)      446(-31)    1380(23)
              abandoned       3(0)       16(-1)      96(-10)     375(3)
            own commits      39(-19)    254(24)     461(-2)     1846(-16)
         review commits       0(0)        0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 277(277)
        total 332(332)   assigned 27(27)   open 278(278)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Johnny_M made 184 patches in 1 month, and 817 patches in 1 year
           Steve Fanning made 6 patches in 1 month, and 70 patches in 1 year
           Kevin Suo made 6 patches in 1 month, and 31 patches in 1 year
           Henrik Palomäki made 5 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
           Srebotnjak, Martin made 4 patches in 1 month, and 19 patches in 1 year
           Nagy Tibor made 4 patches in 1 month, and 38 patches in 1 year
           Attila Szűcs made 3 patches in 1 month, and 26 patches in 1 year
           Ming Hua made 3 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
           Po-Yen Huang made 3 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
           Dr. David Alan Gilbert made 3 patches in 1 month, and 12 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Olivier Hallot made 216 review comments in 1 month, and 998 in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 98 review comments in 1 month, and 656 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 98 review comments in 1 month, and 808 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 666 in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 64 review comments in 1 month, and 346 in 1 year
           Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 640 in 1 year
           McNamara, Caolán made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 402 in 1 year
           Németh, László made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 418 in 1 year
           Thorsten Behrens made 48 review comments in 1 month, and 398 in 1 year
           Rathke, Eike made 46 review comments in 1 month, and 208 in 1 year
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           mwarner
     + We had ~25 merged commits from the contributors
       + ~half is code change, and half is translations from Johnny_M
     + Responded getting started requests from the newcomers
     + Had contacts with GSoC 2021 contrbiutors, including a calls with one GSoC 2021 contrbiutor, and another call for some EasyHack
     + 1 new EasyHack to be evaluated
         https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143641
     + prefer easy hacks as a keyword in the bug (Heiko)

* Commit Access
   + None

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
   + resting since: 21 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
   + have a list of candidates for the next round, need their confirmation (Kendy)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
     from:Thu Nov 25 15:18:50 2021
     master linux rel  jobs:  94 ok:  94 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master linux dbg  jobs:  83 ok:  76 ko:   7 fail ratio:  8.43 % break:   7 broken duration:18.27%
     master mac rel    jobs:  89 ok:  89 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master mac dbg    jobs:  89 ok:  89 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master win rel    jobs:  61 ok:  61 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master win dbg    jobs:  67 ok:  67 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master win64 dbg  jobs:  64 ok:  64 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
     master gerrit lin jobs: 486 ok: 396 ko:  52 fail ratio: 10.70% time for ok: mean:  20 median:  18
     master gerrit plg jobs: 404 ok: 265 ko:  98 fail ratio: 24.26% time for ok: mean:  40 median:  38
     master gerrit win jobs: 532 ok: 328 ko: 142 fail ratio: 26.69% time for ok: mean:  65 median:  63
     master gerrit mac jobs: 499 ok: 376 ko:  69 fail ratio: 13.83% time for ok: mean:  29 median:  24
     master android    jobs: 383 ok: 304 ko:  34 fail ratio:  8.88% time for ok: mean:  32 median:  22
     master gerrit all jobs: 441 ok: 200 ko: 170 fail ratio: 38.55% time for ok: mean:  77 median:  71
    + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_211202.html
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days:
       3 UITest_calc_tests8                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       3 UITest_writer_tests3                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       4 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter3                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 UITest_signatureLine                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       5 UITest_writer_tests7                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       8 UITest_impress_tests                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      14 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
   + Jenkins was down (Cloph)
     + each build has the complete history of the change -> 5MB metadata / build
     + 150GB of data for all old builds
     + stripped the old metadata now
     + it was a mistake to restart Jenkins after all
     + status.documentfoundation.org said all is fine? (Thorsten/Miklos)
       + it's only manually updated (Cloph)
         + Guilhem set it up like this


* l10n (Sophie)
   + new language teams for Igbo and Cornish
   + GSoC mentors: please don't forget about l10n
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145919

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
     + Miklos sent information about autoupdater to the dev ML
         + https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2021-November/088107.html
         + current state (Florian)
           + tendered it, and it turned out that the scope got quite large
           + delivery time + budget larger than expected
           + decision: back to ESC to decide how to continue here
         + it boils down to the budget (Cloph)
           + it seems the cost/benefit ratio doesn't work out
           + if app stores have it, then we don't need this
           + it it's a lot of time, then will it be useful by the time we have it ready?
           + non-app-store binaries get stricter rules over the time
         + how do app stores affect the donation flow? (Kendy)
           + do app stores allow some kind of link to "donate now"?
             + some just forbid it
           + if auto-update works perfectly, that causes a "problem" in the donation flow as well (Cloph)
         + summary of the plan (Kendy)
           + reviewed MAR (mozilla-based proof of concept), using Moggi's django server
           + current understanding: Moggi was not happy at the end
           + looking at solutions that make sense today
           + found no single solution that provides what we need that covers all Linux/macOS/Linux
           + Linux proposal: provide a package repo (rpm/deb)
           + Windows: the most maintained project seems to be Chromium (Omaha)
           + macOS: Sparkle
           + Windows and macOS server part could be shared
             + provided by 3rd-party, latest version is kind of non-free
             + need to update the old free implementation to work with the latest Chromium and Sparkle
           + lots of complex work, not surprised that it's larger than the expected budget
         + what was the reason to start this project at all? (Heiko)
           + not heard concerns about the installer size
           + goal is: just a single notification that the new version is already downloaded, only need to restart
             + no manual download, no manual install
         + is there a user need to follow the Chrome principle? (Heiko)
           + the experience was: many users were too outdated (Thorsten)
             + can tell from updater stats, bugzilla
           + part of the reason is it's not easy to update
           + not great for security
             + c++ project, 200M users
           + auto-update without users having to do anything
           + vulnerable after 2 years still
         + some users use old versions intentionally (Heiko)
           + some users are still on XP, let's not follow that pattern (Thorsten)
           + could also have a config option to disable auto-update (Kendy)
           + the tender idea started when app stores were less mature
         + moving to rolling releases is not possible without this (Xisco)
         + Chrome auto-updater is open source (Hossein)
           + and it is still using / working with MSI (Kendy)
             + unlike mozilla (Miklos)
         + what to decide here? (Miklos)
           + is this still desirable? (Florian)
         + put it to the ranking sheet for 2022? (Miklos)
         + what helps the board: split the idea to per-platform packages? (Thorsten)
           + e.g. go the app-store way on Windows/macOS
           + if the project is too large, then easier to do 2 other smaller projects
         + the ESC recommended this project the last year, do we still recommend it? (Miklos)
         + or reduce the scope: auto-download but run the installer manually? (Cloph)
         + "yes, valid proposal, but take app-store discussion into account"? (Florian)
           + heard no objects
           + most logical is probably Windows, then macOS, then Linux way
           + can take that to the next board call
         + on the other hand, the Windows updater affects the donation flow the most (Kendy)
           + but that is for the board to decide

* Budget 2022 (Thorsten)
     + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022
     + next step: give your rating on the sheet with ideas (Thorsten)
       + deadline for voting is in 2 weeks

* https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2021/msg00317.html (Michael S)
   * Tender: Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance
   * should we decide on a list of bugs to be fixed ahead of time or leave it up to applicants?
   * draft tender proposal posted by Florian
   * didn't make much sense, because it takes a bugzilla query, 80+ bugs, all are required
   * lots of time to even estimate all of these
   * lots of them can be only fixed if ODF is improved
   * one option: somebody writes a list of issues that are possible to be fixed
     * Regina would have the skills to build such a list
     * or Eike?
       + at the moment don't have time (Eike)
   * other idea: just leave the bugzilla query in the tender, then the bidders decide what to fix
AI: reach out to Regina to see if she is open to pick bugs manually (Michael S)

* QA update (Xisco)

     + UNCONFIRMED: 1587 (+27)
         + enhancements: 242  (-6)
         + needsUXEval: 7 (-1)
         + haveBackTrace: 2 (-1)
         + needsDevAdvice: 28 (+2)
         + documentation:  12 (+1)
         + android:  1 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  10 (+4)

     + Most pressing bugs:

      New:
          None
      Old:
         + macOS: Can't save or open files using Finder dialog on Standard accounts on macOS 10.15 Catalina
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128233

         + Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
           imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597
             + already listed here for 2 years, and many duplicates
      Fixed:

     + Calc disables header/footer or looses footer content when saves a spreadsheet ( part 2 )

     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144940

     + Fixed thanks to Attila Bakos


     + Crash when FILESAVE a calc file after delete some columns

     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144244

     + Fixed thanks to Julien Nabet


     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         + Find Bar Ctrl+F (search of Cells in Calc): add option to set search for cell Values in stead of Formulas
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102506
             + not a regression?

         + Inserting TOC in two-column document causes lockup
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138900
             + needs bisecting

         + FILEOPEN: EMF file not displayed
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145873
             + already fixed, thanks to Hossein

* QA stats
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +124  +8 (-127) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators       16
        Buovjaga                10
        Caolán McNamara         10
        Justin L                9
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 8
        Heiko Tietze            7
        Kevin Suo               7
        Luboš Luňák             6
        Xisco Faulí             5
        Adolfo Jayme            3

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        Telesto                 10
        Rafael Lima             5
        Kevin Suo               4
        Mike Kaganski           4
        Xisco Faulí             4
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 3
        Regina Henschel         3
        jsv                     3
        Colin                   2
        Eyal Rozenberg          2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        McNamara, Caolán        10
        Luboš Luňák             6
        Justin Luth             5
        Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 3
        Kelemen, Gabor          3
        Kevin Suo               3
        Xisco Fauli             3
        David                   2
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      2
        Kaganski, Mike          2

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      19
        Xisco Fauli             9
        Dieter                  8
        Heiko Tietze            7
        Nabet, Julien           5
        *UNKNOWN*               3
        Kaganski, Mike          3
        Kelemen, Gabor          3
        Kevin Suo               3
        McNamara, Caolán        3

* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
    + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
      6.0 : 1/53 -     1 %  (+0)
      5.4 : 0/41 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.3 : 0/54 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.2 : 0/43 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.1 : 1/36 -     2 %  (+0)
      5.0 : 0/64 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.4 : 0/76 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.3 : 0/73 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.2 : 2/134 -    1 %  (+0)
      4.1 : 3/85 -     3 %  (+0)
      4.0 : 2/83 -     2 %  (+0)
      old : 3/248 -    1 %  (+0)

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            6
         Kevin Suo              4
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     1
         Justin Luth            1
         Kelemen, Gabor         1
         lbrmk.510              1
         Telesto                1

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            4
         Kevin Suo              3
         Timur                  2
         Budea, Áron            1
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     1
         Justin Luth            1
         Kelemen, Gabor         1
         Martin Sourada         1
         Telesto                1

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1296(-20) bugs open of 11375(+10) total 14(-1) high prio.

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            4
         Kevin Suo              3
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
         Telesto                2
         Roman Kuznetsov        1
         Kelemen, Gabor         1

* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 10(+0)
      Calc          - 2(-1)
      Draw          - 1(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 1(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 13(-1)
      Linux         - 0(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 1(+0)

* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 440(-3)
      Calc                     - 223(-6)
      Impress                  - 136(+1)
      Writer: docx filter      - 54(+0)
      Crashes                  - 51(-1)
      Draw                     - 49(-1)
      UI                       - 49(-2)
      LibreOffice              - 48(-2)
      Borders                  - 43(-1)
      Writer: perf             - 41(+0)
      Base                     - 35(+1)
      Writer: other filter     - 35(+0)
      Chart                    - 29(+0)
      RTL                      - 27(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 23(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 22(-1)
      graphics stack           - 22(-1)
      BASIC                    - 18(+0)
      filters and storage      - 18(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 2(+0)
      framework                - 1(+0)
      sdk                      - 1(+0)


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