[Libreoffice-ux-advise] embedding palettes etc. ...

Christoph Noack christoph at dogmatux.com
Sat Sep 24 07:05:22 PDT 2011

Hi Astron, hi Michael, all!

Thanks for your thoughts ... just one comment.

Am Mittwoch, den 14.09.2011, 21:49 +0200 schrieb Astron:
> Hi.
> Before making a suggestion, her are three questions:
> 1. What's the file size penalty for embedded palettes?
> 2. Are there possible privacy concerns when embedding, e.g., patterns?
> 3. Does your addition embed the entire palette or does it make a diff
> against the default palette?
> If the answers go something like "typically 2 KB or less (depending on
> what the user adds)," "not really" and "a diff," then this would be my
> suggestion: embed it and don't add anything to the UI.
> We should aim for maximum document fidelity and if a document has the
> wrong colours on a different LibO installation, that doesn't really
> help.
> Otherwise:
> >>       In an ideal world, we'd have some (easy to implement) central place for
> >> embedding things into the document: perhaps File->Properties or some
> >> equivalent that would show you:
> >>
> >>       * embedded palette, fill bitmap, hatch, line-dash etc.
> >>       * embedded media files [ I'll try to dig into this next ;-]
> Shouldn't that work already? (The last time I tried there was a bug
> where video clips would only play if they weren't embedded into the
> document, nevertheless you could embed them.)
> >>       * embedded gallery [ also a wish-list ]
> >>       * embedded related data files [ deep-future wish-list ]
> >
> > Sure, but here each solution will sub-optimal, since we miss an easy way
> > to separate "document" and "meta data". One thing that's really cool in
> > Office 2010 is the backstage view doing that nicely ... at the moment,
> > the File Properties dialog seems to fit best ...
> I sadly don't see a good place for this in the dialogue today (but in
> general I agree with your train of thought). The setting would
> probably have to live on a new tab there. However, we will have to
> live with the fact that users won't expect the setting there.

> As a makeshift measure, maybe you could add a checkbox ("Embed palette
> into current document") to "Options > LibreOffice > Colors." (I know
> this is an extremely awful solution and I don't like it myself, but I
> think it conforms to LibO's slightly crazy current logic.)

Yep, it would conform to that "craziness" ... but I skipped this
solution for two reasons:
      * Options > LibreOffice > Colors doesn't allow loading / saving of
        palettes, so embedding it from here might make less sense.
      * This options page is only available for colors - Michael talked
        about gradients / hatches / ...

Still, no easy solution, only:
      * extending the Document Preferences dialog
      * extending the Edit - Links... dialog
      * create something new

> > Okay, could you please (if there is no quick solution) rename the
> > checkbox to "Embed into document" (or something like that) and move it
> > to the lower right?
> Agree, that makes it more understandable.


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