[Libreoffice-ux-advise] minutes of ESC call ...

Michael Meeks michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Jan 10 08:51:37 PST 2013


* Present:
	+ Fridrich, Stephan, Andras, Joel, Caolan, Markus, Norbert,
	  Bjoern, Thorsten, Ahmad, Astron, Michael M, Eike, Michael S,
	  Petr, Cedric.

* Completed Action Items
	+ need to rename the MIGRATED flag and unwind / test re-migration (Michael)
		+ apparently no need to do this - the new directory name
		  takes care of it.
	+ FOSDEM: how to debug spreadsheet file-format issues (Markus)
	+ FOSDEM: how to debug writer file-format issues (Miklos)
	+ FOSDEM: add: language-tags how they clean up our l10n story (Eike)
	+ FOSDEM: types.rdb removal / re-writing (Stephan)
	+ FOSDEM: hacking on the new android / impress-remote (Thorsten)
	+ FOSDEM: hacking on CMIS / the new template dialog (Cedric)
	+ Testing Marathon: get update with stats for wordpress to Michael (Joel)
		+ http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/libreoffice-test-marathon-results/
	+ disable gnome-vfs for now on linux builds for RC1 (Fridrich)
	+ remove overly lame .gitignore entries (Norbert)
	+ hide TCP/IP mode in android app itself: bluetooth only by default (Miklos)
	+ update existing 'find-bar' close button / bug to an easy-hack 58526 (Michael)
		+ obsolete - Joren on it.

* Last-time Action Items
	+ Windows: .Net vs. our install still chasing (Tor / Fridrich)
	+ FOSDEM: Easy QA introduction: bug triage etc. (Cor?)
	+ FOSDEM: misc. new interop. feature and their development (Tibby)
	+ on-line help for impress-remote would be useful, help appreciated (?)
	+ full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
		+ pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S
	+ investigate re-using Win32 binary signing for Mac (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items
	+ [pending] add impress remote shots to features wiki page (Thorsten)
	+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
	+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
	+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
	+ tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
		+ no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
	+ mail details on signing etc. to Caolan (Fridrich)
		+ needs a GPG public key from Caolan, punted to Jan.

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 4.0 timeline:
		+ on-schedule, RC1 builds are available, up-loading
		+ All fixes now need 1x review - don't push your own work
		+ RC2 January 25th - 2 weeks out
			+ final RC3 - one week later
		+ hard UI / string freeze
			+ l10n approval required for string changes.
			+ no string changes in final RC3
	+ 3.6.5 rc1 - deadline is Monday
		+ if critical regression wait until after 4.0rc3 for it
	+ L10n status (Andras)
		+ pootle upgrade 2x weeks ago and 4.0 brought lots of changes
		+ lots of ongoing work, status looks good
	+ completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan)
		+ fdo#58165 - drop stdlibs foo

* UX input (Astron)
	+ template manager / progress
		+ progressing nicely - thanks to Cedric
	+ Personas
		+ discussion on ux-advise
		+ thanks for feedback ! (Kendy)
	+ Initial color picker design [done]
		+ would appreciate hackers / hands [!]
		+ great design at:
		  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Picker
	+ Splash screens
		+ new whiteboard for 4.0 branding suggestions
		  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/4.0_Branding
		+ so far may well stick with existing branding
	+ T-shirts (Kendy)
		+ whiteboard / feedback / CC the design list for FOSDEM
	+ Save icon - are we going to switch back for 4.0 to the floppy ?
		+ http://user-prompt.com/about-antiquated-metaphors-in-icons/
AI:		+ decision on whether to switch back tol old floppy save (Astron)
	+ blog post pasting websites & loosing images ? (Bjoern)
AI:		+ agreement that default to not link should be fixed (Bjoern)

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
	+ nice write-up, great progress

* FOSDEM update (Markus)
	+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2013
	+ preliminary timetable being tweaked
	+ to be published later and Italo will enter to Penta
	+ 20mins slots for 15min talks, and 40mins for 30min talks

* Features - please update:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
	+ other missing ?
		+ templates management (Cedric)
		+ add Personas (Kendy)
		+ Mac / full-screen bits (Tor)

+ automated document load regession catching (Markus)
	+ plan to add it to tinderbox, problems with some docs - 1 day to load
	+ offered a tinderbox to Markus (Norbert)
	+ file individual issues in batches - for three smallest documents (Caolan)

* gerrit / build-bot integration (Norbert)
	+ starting to come on-line
	+ now capable of building a patch with gerrit
	+ eventually have an extra option - beyond verified
		+ "sane - but needs a build before auto-merging"
		+ so a developer reviews patch first

+ additional SDK examples (Stephan)
	+ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-January/043603.html
	+ problems with adding to the sdk
		+ grows the core repo
		+ git greps / easy-hacks tweak the samples
		+ sdk is not built & bit-rots
		+ review cost - producing beautiful / best-practise
		  code etc.
	+ long ter need to make SD
	+ Need a place for code snippets ?
		+ or a forum ? (Norbert)
AI:		+ contrib/ repository (Norbert)

+ presenter-console patches to back-port to 4.0 ? (Ahmad)
	+ working nicely in 4.0
	+ 2-3 patches fixing text mirroring from master
AI:	+ look at this next week in person (Michael)

+ Widget layout localisation performance (DTardon)
	+ fixed nicely, much faster, thanks David.
	+ build-times with 110 langs back to 1 day - ie. normal

+ funding requests for the board:
	+ 2x fast Mac build machines - tinderboxen - and ... dev machines
	+ TDF should also own the hardware for releasing (Thorsten)
	+ have Bytemark windows machine could use (Norbert)
		+ machine able to build - signing certificate issues (Fridrich)
	+ Funding request for new, fast Windows build machines (Norbert)
AI:	+ come up with / improve the existing concrete funding request
	  for build hardware => board budget (Norbert/Thorsten/Fridrich)

* DudenCorrector bug fdo#59107 (Fridrich)
	+ library deprecated since Feb 2011 - and announced
	+ could we produce a compatibility package to drop the
	  obsolete stlport into the system ?
	+ not holding breath for progress before 4.0
	+ a reasonable workaround is the best option
	+ unanimous decision not to re-introduce obsolete
	  VS run-time and stlport binaries.
AI:	+ at a minimum - release-note: dropping the DLL and the
	  VS run-time on the system (Fridrich)

* 4.0 completed tasks:
	+ MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice (Petr)
		+ pain / fixing for PHP / download scripts (Thorsten)
	+ user migration path thought / testing (Michael)
	+ .net framework, multiple installation bugs in Windows
		+ a work-around: bump the required version of .Net ...
			+ now we require .Net 4
			+ if not there, the CLI not installed.
AI:		+ close https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58275 (Timar)

* 4.0 pending tasks
	+ binfilter:
		+ warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
	+ drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
		+ lots of cleanup in configure
	+ Unix / LDAP addressbook support disappeared:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57417
		+ close that wontfix & release-note it ?
	+ Mac build / signing (Thorsten/Norbert?)

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
	+ developers need to decide what to do next
		+ punting for a month ?
	+ re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
	+ mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
	+ all well
	+ lots of QA Marathon joinees are continuing to help out
		+ Joren doing awesome work
	+ first meeting of new year tomorrow
	+ still have around 64 4.0 bugs that need triage
	+ aiming to get the un-triaged 4.0 bug count down to zero by next week
	+ doing a lot of great bi-bisecting
	+ handling of inappropriate behaviout on bz (Bjoern)
		+ punted to next time

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
	+ 14 (of 64) older 13/48 13/41 9/34 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
	     22%            27%   32%  26%   29%   35%   29%  22%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 36 (of 166) older 37/164 34/160 35/158 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145
	      22%            23%    21%    22%    21%     20%    22%    23%    24%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 49 (of 266) older 50/266 54/268 62/277 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279
	      18%            19%    20%    22%    23%    23%    23%    25%    25%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
	+ attempt at a new metric:
	+ 43 (of 110)
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=status_whiteboard&list_id=204265&o1=substring&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&v1=bibisected&product=LibreOffice
	+ thanks to mst for closing several 'bibisected40' bugs & to QA for more bisection.

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 245(+15) bugs open of 1109(+79) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	+ Writer       - 95 (+8)
	+ Crashes      - 25 (+4)
	+ Presentation - 24 (+0)
	+ Spreadsheet  - 22 (+1)
	+ Database     - 18 (+2)
	+ LibreOffice  - 17 (+0)
	+ Drawing      - 15 (+0)
	+ Borders      - 11 (+1)
	+ Migration    - 5  (+0)
	+ Basic        - 3  (-1)

	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
	+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489
	+ Writer / RTF section - retired: will now be counted as writer regressions
		+ http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-zero-rtf-regressions.html

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