[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 138658] UI: Confusing categorization of the 'Hidden' feature

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138658

--- Comment #12 from Mike Kaganski <mikekaganski at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Christian Lehmann from comment #11)
> Ad 1 and 2

In theory, your PoV has its reason. The characters get "removed" from layout
using this setting, and as such, it might be considered not an effect.

But it is, nevertheless, a setting applied at character run level. As such, it
*must* be in the character dialog, no matter if you *also* provide a
convenience way of accessing this in another place.

By the way, you may be interested in a *reverse* discussion in tdf#138628,
where the existence of convenience dialog for inserting (page) breaks makes
people confused that the page break is actually a property of paragraph, and
lets some to suggest that the convenience means must give clearer idea what is
actually being done under the hood.

> Ad 3: If the 'Hidden' feature can be applied to any component of the
> document, from a single character via a paragraph and a table row up to an
> entire section,

No. You seem to ignore my words. I already wrote, that the effect that you
describe as "applying it to a table row" is a misconception, and a side effect
of *multiple* settings that you have in your table. You do A, then B, then C,
then D, and then the row is collapsed to zero height. And based on that, you
call D "a function to hide rows (among other things)". But why not B? If you
did it in another order, B could happen to be the change that collapsed the
row!

> then it should probably not be a feature in the submenu
> 'Format - Character' and instead a separate item one level higher up in the
> hierarchy, viz. in the 'Format' menu. Call it 'Hide text' or something like
> this.

So again: no. This is a setting applied to text runs - which is, in LibreOffice
terminology, a character property. A convenience access is a different thing.

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