[Bug 149407] Proposal for slight change in position and label of controls in the Position dialog for objects

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149407

--- Comment #30 from Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz1 at gmx.com> ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #29)
> In principle I would agree with 'make it a coherent sentence' and "make a
> grammatically correct sentence", but I fear the bar being to[o] high because
> that includes the sentence to be coherent in all (current and future)
> translations. And that's likely mission impossible.  

Well, it's true that some problems may arise when translating. But:

1. The better and clearer we make it in one language, the more likely it would
be at-least-ok and maybe totally-ok in other languages.
2. If the "imperfection" is just akward-wording rather than
difficult-to-understand, we can live with that.

> The "From Left" isn't really self-explaining. Aligning Left doesn't allow an
> offset. "From left" means, Left side (of defined area; for example Paragraph
> Area) + Off-set.

We _have_ to have self-explanatory UI, except in extreme cases, which this
isn't one of. And in fact, even this explanation doesn't cut it, as you
yourself write:

> No idea why this category being needed at all. Some could
> argue that "Left" + offset value = From Left internally, but without
> exposing this in the dialog. 

> 
> As wondering: is the category "From Left" actually "From Right" for RTL?

Not as such, but you did hit on something here:

* With "From left" - if you switch paragraph direction, the textbox position is
also switched;
* With "Left" -  if you switch paragraph direction, the textbox is unaffected.

> I'm rather visually orientated, so long technical descriptions are hard
> regards  how well written

Which brings me to the point of the preview being above these settings, and
being non-faithful to them (e.g. offset has no effect on the preview when in
"From Left" state).


> > * Offset of what, from what?
> Offset from the (Left) alignment (going to the right). Offset in essence the
> same as Indent, I think

You can't have offset from an alignment. It could be offset from the left edge
of the paragraph, or offset of the paragraph from some edge of the box. And
then there's the next box, which in your mockup is called "region or
reference", which itself has values with the word left, e.g. "left of paragraph
text area".

> I agree. However having to consider all the dimensions at once is quite mind
> boggling/ mind numbing.

Let's ignore vertical foocus just on vertical; but given that - we should
undertake this mind-boggling task at some point. We need (IMNSHO) to spell out
all of the alginment options, rethink how they should be grouped - perhaps over
one some online session or two - then go back to designing appropriate UI.

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