minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Dec 13 09:16:29 PST 2012
+ Stephan, Petr, Bjoern, Caolan, Kohei, Michael M, Eike, Joel,
Lionel, Michael S, Thorsten
* Completed Action Items
+ add completed technical 4.0 changes to features wiki page (Michael M)
+ grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
+ have a list of people <-> bugs to process.
+ come up with a proposal for UNO breakage / ns timestamps (Stephan, Michael S, Lionel)
+ punt to next time
+ setup LibreOffice 4.1 schedule in the wiki (Petr)
+ check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Thorsten)
+ thorough testing with Beta1 & stlport removed planned
+ should get rid of stlport on all platforms in anticipation
* Pending Action Items
+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
+ [ in progess ]
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
+ tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
+ no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
+ persuade Thorsten of final MSI / pkg naming / resting place (Kendy)
+ update the 4.0 release notes wiki page to explain DocumentInfo (Michael S)
+ kill legacy stlport packaging (Stephan)
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 4.0 timeline:
+ Monday is the deadline for Beta2
+ ideally the last deadline for delayed features
+ still no double etc. review needed until we get to RC1
+ 3.6.4 retrospective
+ a good release, needed an rc3 only down to a minor slip
+ please don't forget to cherry-pick fixes from master -> 4.0 -> 3.6
+ 3.6.5 - in January 14th
+ completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan)
AI: + mail details on signing etc. to Caolan (Fridrich)
+ fdo#58165 - drop stdlibs foo
* UX input (Astron)
+ testing the Android remote
+ issues getting it connected, Android 2.3 + openSUSE
AI: + interactive debugging on IRC (Thorsten)
+ question from Mirek - someone to look into
+ full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
+ template manager design concerns (Cedric)
+ ongoing discussion for 4.0
+ old design file->templates->organise, new->templates & documents
+ new template manager replaces the latter, needs work
to replace the 'organise' function; seems similar but
+ missing fn is importing styles into documents.
+ at least the common UI is much improved.
* un-publishing DataPilot APIs (Kohei)
+ struggled to remove bits from types.rdb
+ done - thanks to Michael S.
* gnome-vfs / dependencies issues (Bjoern)
+ if adding libbonobo is the solution then we have the wrong problem
+ causing crash-on-starts etc. - bin it for gio ...
+ we need to get rid of gnome-vfs in our downloadable build
+ no gio in RHEL5 base-line ...
+ punt till next time - Fridrich input required.
+ could potentially build with newer glib
+ new dbus menu bits conditional on gio (Bjoern)
* bibisect build / brokenness (Bjoern)
+ 262 builds in a single bibisect repo 4GB small ...
+ poor download speed: 100k/sec (Joel)
+ bibisect could be improved to avoid compiling the center
of back-to-back checkouts
+ some 1/4 of random checkouts don't build successfully
* Disabling Office 95 export filters (Brian Q)
+ disable word 6 export ? (Caolan)
+ why are people even selecting that ?
+ decided: disable it for now, leave code in in case of
screaming for a release or so (agreed)
* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
+ ongoing work as above.
* Features - please update:
+ with screenshots / feature details ...
AI: + add impress remote shots (Thorsten)
* 4.0 completed tasks:
+ un-publishing of data-pilot interfaces (Kohei)
+ liblangtag - fixed wrapper to not require loading until started (Eike)
* 4.0 pending tasks
+ warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
+ drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
+ lots of cleanup in configure
+ remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
+ MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice
+ also rename the Linux download tar-balls (Fridrich)
+ and Mac packages.
+ causes some pain for download scripts (Thorsten)
+ getting installer up on download list, other
shuffling is painful
+ LibO not a great truncation - branding-wise.
+ persuade Thorsten of final resting place goodness (Kendy)
+ user migration path thought / testing (Stephan)
+ seems to work nicely; modulo re-enabling of explicitly
disabled extensions post migration
+ if it is not going to work it'll be disabled again during
+ still issue with 'MIGRATED' flag, esp. on Windows + Mac
AI: + need to rename the MIGRATED flag and unwind re-migration (Michael)
+ disable legacy stlport packaging for Linux + Mac (Stephan)
* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
+ developers need to decide what to do next
+ punting for a month ?
+ re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
* Hard Hacks:
+ mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.
* QA update (Joel)
+ include Android Remote in QA / testing day
+ PC World article had a write-up about test-week:
+ working on improving the wiki for the test-week
+ QA call tomorrow
+ more people showing up in IRC to help out
+ focused on getting test systems setup
+ a lot of stuff on fdo - lots of extremely technical bugs vs. 4.0
+ query 'UNCONFIRMED' vs. 4.0/4.0alpha/4.0beta
+ Joel's favorite bug of the week:
** Requests for specific areas for QA appreciated **
** Wanted: Hackers/Helpers to hang out in #libreoffice-qa over the week **
+ please identify yourself in:
* regressions spike explanation ? (Michael S)
+ UI of BSA - uses unfortunate terms - users specify
their problem used to work in a previous version
+ what they mean is used it for actual work / or ambiguous
+ writer: removed 'regression' from 8-10 bugs, filed by BSA,
more or less obviously not regressions.
+ quick sanity check: version reported == last-known-working version
+ these are clearly nonsensical / not-regressions
AI: + can we elide 'regression' from those in the BSA (Rob S?)
+ lots of users: updating their versions to latest
+ user expectation is that versions bump forwards
+ first version tested against ...
+ discuss it at QA call.
AI: + can BSA add the version to the comment as well (Rob S?)
+ to avoid users double submitting that.
* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
+ 13 (of 41) older 9/34 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
32% 26% 29% 35% 29% 22%
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 34 (of 160) older 35/158 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132
21% 22% 21% 20% 22% 23% 24% 24% 23%
* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
+ 54 (of 268) older 62/277 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279
20% 22% 23% 23% 23% 25% 25% 27% 28%
* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 219(+4) bugs open of 1000(+26) total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 94 (+0)
+ Presentation - 23 (+0)
+ Spreadsheet - 17 (+2)
+ Crashes - 17 (-4)
+ Database - 15 (-2)
+ Drawing - 13 (+0)
+ LibreOffice - 14 (+0)
+ Borders - 9 (+0)
+ Basic - 5 (+2)
+ Migration - 5 (+0)
+ Writer / RTF - 3 (+1)
+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489
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