minutes of ESC call ...

Thu Jun 20 07:56:45 PDT 2013

* Present:
	+ Hangout: Andras, Caolan, Kendy, Joel, Kohei, Tsai, Michael M, Thorsten
	+ Phone:   Stephan, Norbert, Cloph, Eike, David, Michael S,
	           Astron, Cedric, Tibby

* Completed Action Items:
	+ now that digest is ready, as agreed disable gerrit firehose (Bjoern)
		[ done ]
	+ banner advert might be good for this QA contest => chase marketing (Joel)
	+ chase QA banner ad for the contest (Astron)
		[ chasing in progress, hoping for something tonight ]
AI:	+ tweak text on the pre-release page (Cloph)

* Pending Action items:
	+ get remaining GOSC guys introduced on the QA list (Cedric)
	+ update visible bugzilla versions to hide ~all legacy versions (Joel)
		[ bsa fixing in progress ]
	+ setup a UX Advice bz component and default CC the ux-advise ML (Joel)

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
	+ Petr missed & on holiday for two weeks
		+ Cloph carrying the flag
	+ 4.1.0 RC1 update
		+ two (translation + help) related bugfix tags needed
		+ being built, up-loading to the mirrors
        + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline:
		+ next monday is nearly the last chance for 3.6 fixes

* QA update (Joel)
	+ QA Contest update
		+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Projects/Bug_Triage_Contest
		+ 15+ people signed up so far ... encouraging.
	+ French / translated BSA is completed
		+ filed a bug through it, asking to change relevant links
		+ many thanks to Rob Snelders [!]
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
		+163 	-128
		thanks to top five:
			ign_christian: 28
			Rob Snelders:  14
			Michael Meeks:  7
			Eike Rathke:    7
			Andras Timar:   5
	+ Need_Advice bugs input appreciated
		+ 5 bugs in that state
		+ http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
	+ curiosity about %age of patches back-ported to stable
		+ poked into it: around 60% of 4.1 fixes go back to 4.0 as well.
			+ 13% are back-ported to 3.6
		+ don't want to break stable by back-porting everythign (Bjoern)
	+ thanks to TDF & Bjoern for getting tester netbooks deployed
		+ three out there - 2x Windows 8 and 1 Linux.

* GSOC update (Cedric)
	+ please mentor your students, mid-term evaluations
	  from Mon 29th July until end of that week.

* gerrit bits (Bjoern)
	+ check that all devs and gerrit admins are subscribed to an OTRS queue
		+ Norbert, Thorsten, Bjoern are there.
	+ only ten people who are devs
AI:	+ dig out docs on signing up to the OTRS queue (Bjoern)

* UX input (Astron)
	+ setup a UX Advice bz component and default CC the ux-advise ML
		+ unless someone wants to write a script to scrape keywords
		  and proxy to mail.
		+ idea with component => the better idea.
	+ icons on master:
		+ added Sifr to the default icon set
		+ approved: remove crystal from the default binary build
		  configuration (retaining Oxygen) to keep space requirements
		  constant.
			+ leave crystal icons in the source tree for packagers
	+ Android remote discussion improvements
		+ perhaps another whiteboard for iOS - somewhat different.

* Hamburg hack-fest update (Bjoern)
	+ it was awesome.
	+ achieved quite a few nice things:
	  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013#Achievements
	+ great beer event at the beginning (sponsored by Lanedo)
	+ hacked until 4am.
	+ nice group photo (missing Florian)
		https://picasaweb.google.com/104737754628780823336/20130617_Hamburg#5890737500602109074
AI:	+ write a short blog entry with photos (Eike)

* Investing in even better productivity (Michael)
	+ Bought CrossOver office licenses ...
		+ mail me if you could use one of this to improve
		  productivity.

* Added git commit access for:
	+ Issa - for Sifr icons (Michael)

* People who are not members, should consider that (Michael)
	+ benefits: voting for and standing for election in
	  Board / Membership Committee
	+ Certification etc. apply at:
	  http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/
	+ election / membership deadlines coming up soon.

* gerrit build-bot awesomeness (Michael)
	+ it appears to work rather well, we have hardware coming
		+ can we enable it for all committers ?
	+ problem originally was around getting more build H/W (Norbert)
		+ with this we should be able to do ~all commits in a day
	+ is there a wiki page to follow to setup buildbots ? (Thorsten)
		+ need ssh / ids setup to make this work (Norbert)
AI:		+ get windows build-bot setup (Norbert/Thorsten/Moggi)
	+ how to trigger builds ? (Norbert)
		+ if you do a +2 - as a committer, but don't push it,
		  auto trigger a build
	+ can we give out the ssh command - so committers can trigger
	  them explicitly ? (Bjoern)
		+ currently ssh command makes you root (Norbert)
		+ prefer to have a criteria to auto-schedule
		  manual +2 without commit, just a safety precaution
		  to avoid destruction.
		+ DavidO has it already done in the plugin (Bjoern)
	+ block on getting Win32 tinderbox

* Bulk change of header include style (Michael)
	+ thoughts on this:
	  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65108
	+ defer until 4.1.2 or so - when cherry-picking reduces
	+ concern that angle brackets only for system headers (Stephan)
	+ discussed this in the past, MS compiler does insane things
	  with path lookups if you use quotes (Bjoern)
		+ what ? (Stephan)
		+ walks entire include path backwards (Bjoern)
		+ http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/36k2cdd4%28v=vs.71%29.aspx
	+ libxml - is that a local or a system include ? (Norbert)
		+ in the code we can't know that, notion is a bit fuzzy
		+ no need to violate the std for no reason (Stephan)
			+ performance might be a good idea.
	+ potential compromise: have "" for files in the same
	  directory as the cxx (Michael)
		+ indifferent to cleaning it up (Stephan)
	+ discuss it on the list

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)

* Open 4.2 MAB
	+ 0/0
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65675

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 4 (of 39) older 5/37 7/32 3/26 3/23 4/17 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 12 (of 132) older 16/132 14/130 16/129 16/128 18/129 17/126 18/125 24/122
             9%              12%    11%    13%    14%    13%    14%     20%    19%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 63 (of 237) older 65/236 68/235 67/232 69/231 71/229 72/228 75/226 75/225
             27%             28%    29%    30%    31%    32%    33%    33%    34%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 37 (of 114) older 39/114 41/112 36/105 35/100 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 299(+4) bugs open of 1641(+18) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	        Writer - 100 (+0)
	  Presentation -  29 (+0)
	       Crashes -  26 (+1)
	   Spreadsheet -  24 (+4)
	   Libreoffice -  24 (-2)
	      Database -  23 (+0)
	       Drawing -  21 (+2)
	       Borders -  14 (+0)
	     Migration -   3 (+0)
	         BASIC -   2 (+0)

        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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