minutes of ESC call ...

Thu Mar 14 09:10:18 PDT 2013

* Present:
	+ Norbert, Andras, Petr, Kendy, Lionel, Markus, Michael M,
	  Stephan, Eike, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Astron,
	  Bjoern, Ahmad

* Pending Action Items
	+ Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
		+ [ pinging Tollef ]
	+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
	+ look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
	+ helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
		+ [ still pending ]
	+ SLES11 / temporary PTF for the server ? using SP3 toolchain ? (Kendy)
		[ pending new packages ]

* Dresden Impress Sprint (Thorsten)
	+ if you want to go: book now ! free lodging stops tonight.
	+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/ImpressSprint2013

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 4.0.2 rc1 status
		+ builds ready, being up-loaded
	+ 4.0.2 rc2 deadline - March 25th
	+ 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline - next Monday (18th)

* UX input (Astron)
	+ concern wrt. responding to open-issues on the UX advise list
		+ hope to do better next time.
	+ colour themes in documents
		+ is anyone interested in hacking on this ?
		+ requires some level of UI / design work up-front
	+ request for new icon:
AI:		+ re-send details (Lionel)
	+ new flat icon theme bits happening here:
		+ https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons

* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
	+ was never included in any release as an experimental feature
	+ can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
	+ communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
	+ better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)
	+ no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
	  testers for nice new features (Bjoern)
AI:	+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
		+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
		+ also issue with only editing templates that are
		  in the mgr

* use non-versioned installation directory on Windows for 4.0.3? (Petr)
        + see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303
        + proposed by Pedro and Stuart
        + this is supposed to solve 'shared extension' migration
	  problems in the future
		+ are there really migration problems (Andras)
		+ what happens with upgrades (Lionel)
			+ that's the question.
	+ shouldn't be migrating shared extensions (Fridrich)
		+ might solve one issue but break other things
		  extensions that crash while loading etc.
	+ nothing against using the same name (Stephan)
		+ same issue for user-extensions, can blacklist etc.
	+ we have two versions - user config directory '4' and
	  for installations we have 4.0
		+ or use just the major version.
	+ decided: change the default install directory to
	  'LibreOffice 4', major version changes require more work.
AI:		+ will switch to this for 4.1.0 (ie. on master)

* gnumake (Michael)
AI:	+ finally remove the */prj/build.lst files ...

* GSOC ideas page (Cedric)
	Needs updating by 28th Mar.
	https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas

* gnumake enabled improvements (Bjoern)
	+ killing off delivered headers - they bust LTO
	  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61627#c3
	+ prefer to have a top-level folder with all headers in it (Bjoern)
		+ disadvantage headers not in modules to which they belong (Michael S)
		+ alternative $(srcdir) as an include header ...
		  can then include any file from anywhere
	+ instead have the global headers in one central global directory
AI:		+ check behaviour of git-cherry-pick
AI:		+ write up for the mailing list (Bjoern)
			+ find out how other big projects:
			  Mozilla, linux, etc. do this
	+ why bother ? (Michael)
		+ all to work around Windows performance issues:
		  copying headers, lots of dmake rules, incapable
		  of handling lots of -I
	+ work needs to be done post 4.0.2 (ie. next month)
		+ decided to go ahead absent any mailing-list flameage

* Coverity progress (Markus/Julien/Norbert/Caolan)
	+ work ongoing, going well.

* Automated crash on import test results (Markus)
	+ still suffering memory corruptions, another reliability
	  bug elsewhere, nasties ...

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
	+ following up with individuals
	+ website ML poked to create page for listing devs
		+ turned into a huge thread, not read yet

* Build Hardware (Thorsten)
	+ plan to buy a fast Mac / set-it-up & get it running
	+ plan to order, get it setup in Munich near Florian
AI:	+ buy build hardware (Thorsten)

* Hard Hacks:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
		+ three open slots still.
	+ thanks to Markus for fdo#61025
	+ plan to have 2 writer, 1 spread, 1 draw/impress etc.
	fdo#40594 - FILEOPEN .docx (MSO2010) does not show CHART object (Michael)
	fdo#59932 - FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing (Muthu)

* QA update (Joel)
	+ new status: verified works for me - for use by original reporter
	+ investigating netbook bits for QA competition
	+ 176 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
		http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o
		(checkout topic in #libreoffice-qa)
	+ QA contest coming up with swag / prizes

* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
	+ 4 (of 8) older 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
	+ 19 (of 106) older 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 16/91 13/79 17/76 10/69 14/64
	     18%             16%    14%   16%   17%   18%   22%   22%   14%   22%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 77 (of 215) older 77/214 75/211 76/210 57/189 44/175 45/175 43/174 42/173
	     36%             36%    36%    36%    30%    25%    25%    25%    24%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
	+ 29 (of 78) older 32/79 27/72
	+ re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess
**		http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q - has the latest query for un-fixed bisected bugs

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 289(+3) bugs open of 1368(+15) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	+ Writer       - 96 (+3)
	+ LibreOffice  - 28 (+0)
	+ Presentation - 28 (-2)
	+ Spreadsheet  - 24 (-2)
	+ Database     - 23 (-1)
	+ Drawing      - 21 (+2)
	+ Crashes      - 21 (+2)
	+ Borders      - 15 (+1)
	+ Migration    -  5 (+0)
	+ Basic        -  2 (+0)

	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
	+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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