minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Oct 9 07:59:49 PDT 2014
+ Andras, Caolán, David, Michael, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan, Cloph,
Muthu, Eike, Robinson, Michael S, Jacobo, Bjoern, Kohei
* Completed Action Items:
+ provide wiki links for new processes for design interation (Mirek)
[if you want a UX topic be discussed, just go to
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design and add it as
a topic, it will be discussed at the next meeting (Kendy)]
+ copy/paste the 4.3 schedule -> 4.5 schedule wiki page (Cloph)
distro builders, please check whether it is conflicting with
your schedule, labelled preliminary, please check ]
+ create an Easy-hack for enabling XML validators automatically (Miklos)
[ Have a script that easily sets it up: fdo#84600 ]
* Pending Action Items:
+ Ask Bjoern to do a survey on the wrench icons (Kendy)
+ come back next week with a proposal for Mac / gatekeeper bits (Norbert)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.2.7 RC2
+ next week is the deadline for the final version of 4.2.x
+ also time for the first alpha release of 4.4
+ reviews appreciated for:
+ some custom wrapper for LibreOffice needs adapting:
AI: + review it (Andras, Caolan, Cloph, Michael)
+ 4.3.3 RC1
+ tagged, built and announced to early-testing & QA lists.
+ deadline for RC2 is in ~2x weeks.
+ switched master to create only one core package for deb/RPM
+ just 'core' not core01 -> core07
+ thought the reason was that EPM wasn't able to do big pkgs (Caolan)
+ EPM had a limitation on a certain file-size; but only an issue for
a debug build in RPM form (Cloph)
+ even with the split, you couldn't reasonably build RPMs with debuginfo
and EPM - it would fail.
+ lots more scope for improvement there (Michael)
+ hard to see what depends on what (Cloph)
+ Android Remote
* Crashtest update (Miklos)
+ new results: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/24fb87501ef9d5aa715d572de7eb5efe49a0d9c3/ (07-Oct-2014)
+ nothing super-exciting
+ xlsx issues seem lower with threading fix.
+ some new writer redline asserts; but not really crashers
+ hitting the new assertions.
+ recent assertion changes hard to nail (Caolan)
+ PDF ones fell from 15 to 5, and database 7 to nothing
+ unclear why - is the VM the same etc. ?
+ Yes (Miklos)
+ perhaps some intermittency; a big improvement since Miklos
started building them.
+ are the old traces reproducible (Michael)
+ all the old data is still there (Miklos)
+ some of the PDF issues were hard to reproduce anyway,
some PDF export timeout (?) - a race condition ?
+ perhaps load on machine dropped ? (Michael)
+ Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson)
+ October 26, 2014
+ scope / focus issues are broadened & fixed.
AI: + get BZ migration roadmap done for then (Bjoern)
+ Toulouse Hackfest (Arnaud)
+ Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
+ more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
+ budget reserved (Eur 2k) - poke Bjoern.
+ Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
+ jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account
+ will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
just show up etc.
+ November 21st-23rd, 2014
+ we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ had an amusing issue around table toolbar button behavior
+ a monster thread; encouraged Cor into the design call
+ cleared the situation up.
+ no way to measure what is good for users
+ so hacked up dumping the amount of clicked buttons in toolbars
+ talking to Samuel - wrt. looking at Mozilla code in this area.
+ hope to re-use the server side.
+ as of now - dump it into the user profile & mail it.
+ connect it to the infobar etc. (?)
+ getting people on the call was great.
+ huge thread wouldn't need to be so huge with better
+ 8x people on the call vs. 4x last week
+ some good things, and Heiko colleague of Bjoern from
User-Prompt there too.
+ #libreoffice-design IRC chat is live now.
+ is the UI / layout work complete ? (Michael)
+ ~everything done except for some categories (Caolan)
+ floating windows have an issue
+ and some 19 docking windows left.
+ then; some locations where individual widgets are loaded.
+ and more of resource file format will be unused
=> lots of coverity tainting complaints will go away.
* Security (Michael)
AI: + follow up on issue acquistion (Caolan)
* Leaking /tmp files (Cloph)
+ the 'lu' files are leaked by utl::TempFile (Miklos)
+ tinderbox has a custom tmp (Norbert)
+ creating a directory in workdir for tmp
+ could we do it in the tinderbox script by default ? (Michael)
+ there is an option to do that already (Norbert)
+ would still be good not to leak (Miklos)
+ we leak 1536 files per build (Norbert)
+ volunteers appreciated; could it be document load unit tests not cleaning up (?)
* Calc sorting issue (Kohei)
+ Filed by Jean-Baptiste Faure topic
+ Both ways of sorting could be useful
+ was a pure bug-fix for a reference update issue (Kohei)
AI: + back-port the patch to 4.3 - and chop the UI change out (Michael)
+ it may introduce new bugs, people still complaining vs. master (Kohei)
+ but no use-case to demonstrate that.
+ a unit test is there to test both options.
JBF's concern: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81633#c40
+ Isn't it a nightmare SUM(A1:A6), sort A2:10 ? (Michael)
+ no - doesn't handle range references (Kohei)
+ for single references we do do that, and limited case
of range references
+ both sides seem to think they are right (Kohei)
"Sorting should automatically adjust references."
"Sorting shouldn't always automatically adjust references."
+ really annoying to go through lots of process to do this (Kohei)
+ people should be able to wait until 4.4
+ bit of a translation nightmare variously (Bjoern / Michael)
AI: + review & perhaps turn the new feature off by default in 4.3 (Michael/Eike)
AI: + get a clear use-case & description of what doesn't work vs. master (JBF)
+ there are half-a-dozen dups for this issue (Robinson)
+ code that enables the old behavior - is also quite risky ? (Eike)
+ not a trivial change (Kohei)
* QA (Robinson)
+ doing well
+ dropped the unconfirmed count by 80x or so.
+ did we decide 10.9.5 code-signing (Norbert)
+ not confident wrt. risks, happy to leave it this way until 4.4
+ fine wrt. waiting until the next release series.
AI: + comment & close for 4.4 (Norbert)
+ workaround is simple, too much risk etc.
* QA stats:
+152 -185 (-33 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
QA Administrators 61
Jean-Baptiste Faure 14
Caolán McNamara 13
Julien Nabet 9
Samuel Mehrbrodt 7
Lionel Elie Mamane 5
Owen Genat 4
Cor Nouws 4
Miklos Vajna 3
* Open 4.4 MAB
+ 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1
* Open 4.3 MAB
+ 16/60 17/61 16/60 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47
26% 27% 26% 23% 25% 22% 24% 26% 28% 23% 29%
* Open 4.2 MAB
+ 82/260 86/257 88/257 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243
31% 33% 35% 34% 35% 34% 33% 34% 34%
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 154/410 147/401 143/392 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 488(+13) bugs open of 3099(+21) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 151 (+9)
Spreadsheet - 96 (+3)
Presentation - 32 (+0)
Crashes - 31 (+0)
Database - 25 (-1)
Libreoffice - 24 (+0)
Graphics - 23 (+1)
UI - 23 (+0)
Drawing - 19 (+3)
Borders - 19 (+0)
Filters - 18 (+1)
Print / PDF - 14 (+0)
Chart - 11 (+1)
BASIC - 5 (+0)
Extensions - 5 (+0)
Linguistic - 4 (+0)
Installation - 4 (+0)
Formula - 4 (+0)
framework - 1 (+0)
sdk - 0 (+0)
Impress Remote - 0 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
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