[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
adam.fyne at cloudon.com
Thu Sep 18 08:42:00 PDT 2014
Sorry I couldn't join today.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks at collabora.com>
> * Present:
> + Jacobo, Kendy, Michael M, Ptyl, Miklos, Stephan, Muthu, Jan-Marek
> Andras, Robinson, Norbert
> * Completed Action Items:
> + merge the web plugin patch after the conference (Stephan)
> [ done and in the 4.4 release notes ]
> + massage plan wrt. FOSDEM dev-rooms (Thorsten)
> [ working around a joint dev-room ]
> * Pending Action Items:
> + Ask Bjoern to do a survey on the wrench icons (Mirek)
> + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
> + open-source newer Synezip tests (Umesh)
> [ Plan to run these on a server on the cloud service,
> announce the results in the ESC meeting. ]
> + provide wiki links for new processes for design interation (Mirek)
> + poke Alex wrt. off-site backup for TDF services (Cloph)
> * Release Engineering update (Robinson)
> + 4.3.2 RC1 - status
> + currently staged, and has been announced, pushing to mirrors
> + following the steps, but the builds worked.
> + 4.2.7 - due in week 40 - 29th Sept freeze.
> + Android Remote
> * Crashtest update (Miklos)
> + a run during the conference, detected some writerfilter issues, now
> mostly fixed.
> + run interrupted by security update / re-boot
> + VM state not preserved across re-boots
> + new-run ongoing - will be announced on list.
> * New baseline aka C++11 (Jan-Marek)
> + Thread start:
> + Previous baseline: gcc 4.1.2 (2007-02-13)
> + Current baseline: at least gcc 4.8.1 (2013-05-31)
> + There was additional discussion on IRC (2014-09-18)
> + There had been previous discussions in May 2014 ESC calls
> + Tinderboxes (TBs) now based on RH 5 + RH Developer Toolset 2.x
> + "Official" baseline announced as gcc 4.7
> + "Official" announcement - you'll need gcc 4.7+ to compile LO 4.4
> + LOconf14 talks regarding C++11
> - I didn't get the fact the introduction is due for LO 4.4
> + And the TBs moved the compiler / build tool baseline actually to gcc
> 4.8[.0] (release: 2013-03-22)
> - TBs actually run 4.8.n (n > 0)
> - Basically drops support for all distros > 2 years old
> - Ubuntu 12.04 has gcc 4.6
> - I know there are PPAs
> Just contains offical release toolchains - no
> Unsupported (@see Workarounds) and not up to date
> with any baseline
> - I know there is an unsupported 4.7.2 in precise-updates
> - Already had an incompatibility bug
> - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11501/
> + Since last week master requires gcc-4.7 (Stephan)
> + still works with gcc-4.6 - for now.
> + a bug introduced recently, fixed already thanks to Jan Marek
> + these things happen whatever the tinderboxes uses
> + just a function of the diverse compiler set we have.
> + Building master on old Ubuntu (Stephan)
> + building on 12.whatever - we broke that
> + for the TDF baseline builds, CentOS 5 - we use a devtools
> toolchain with a related compiler & binaries that run on the
> baseline - apparently not available for Ubuntu.
> + Old versions of distros / not compiling master (Stephan)
> + was not seen as an issue by the distro people.
> + master will only go into recent versions of distros.
> + so we have a 12.4 build problem, and need a solution for this.
> + If gcc-4.6 is needed - perhaps it works (Stephan)
> + we have to subset the C++11 features anyway (Kendy)
> + only feature missing in 4.6: delegating constructors (Stephan)
> + 'override' and 'final' - we have macros for them anyway.
> + possibly some std::library features not implemented in 4.7
> + from the core-language, all that is missing is delegating
> + happy with that (Jmux)
> + do we get enough new goodness then ? (Michael)
> + sure we get tons - lots of goodies.
> + clang use 4.7 as their bootstrap baseline
> + can we have a tinderbox running gcc-4.6 (Miklos)
> + without that, sooner or later someone will break it.
> AI: + setup a LiMux based tinderbox (Jmux)
> AI: + send Jmux some tinderbox pointers (Norbert)
> + some good slides from the conference on this (Jacobo)
> * Hackfests (Robinson)
> + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson)
> + October 26, 2014
> + Bug-triaging/Intro-to-community event
> + Following SeaGL conference
> + definite interest, heard back from some professors from the
> security lab
> + want to meet Norbert and/or Kohei - why not go ?
> + Toulouse Hackfest ...
> + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
> + more details:
> + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
> + jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account
> + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
> just show up etc.
> + November 21st-23rd, 2014
> + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
> + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
> * Commit Access
> AI: + get Samuel Mehrbrot access again (Michael)
> * Opening up the ESC calls (Michael)
> + not everything but most - bridge 2x calls 1x private, 1 public via
> the G+ hangout ?
> + not v. fond of public recording issue (Norbert)
> AI: + see if Florian / talkyo can provide a public / non-recorded room
> + some topics eg. security, commit access still need to be private.
> * UX Update (Astron / Mirek)
> + use of redmine discussion - issues / benefits.
> * QA (Robinson)
> + un-confirmed bug count climbing again - just over 900
> + Robinson distracted by releng while Cloph on vacation
> + otherwise mostly quiet.
> * QA stats:
> + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
> +143 -93 (+50 overall)
> many thanks to the top bug squashers:
> Caolán McNamara 13
> Jean-Baptiste Faure 10
> Adolfo Jayme 8
> Michael Meeks 5
> raal 5
> Jan Holesovsky 3
> * Open 4.4 MAB
> + 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1
> * Open 4.3 MAB
> + 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27
> 23% 25% 22% 24% 26% 28% 23% 29% 33% 44% 31% 22%
> * Open 4.2 MAB
> + 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222
> 34% 35% 34% 33% 34% 34% 35% 36% 35% 36%
> * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
> + 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296
> + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
> + 457(+0) bugs open of 3042(+13) total
> * ~Component count net *
> Writer - 138 (+2)
> Spreadsheet - 91 (+2)
> Crashes - 30 (-4)
> Presentation - 29 (+0)
> Libreoffice - 25 (-1)
> Database - 25 (+0)
> Graphics - 23 (+0)
> UI - 20 (-2)
> Borders - 19 (-1)
> Filters - 15 (+0)
> Drawing - 13 (+0)
> Print / PDF - 12 (+0)
> Chart - 9 (+1)
> BASIC - 5 (+0)
> Extensions - 5 (+0)
> Linguistic - 4 (+0)
> Installation - 4 (+0)
> Formula - 4 (-1)
> framework - 1 (+0)
> sdk - 0 (+0)
> Impress Remote - 0 (+0)
> + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
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