Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-01-28

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present: Cor, Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias
 
* Completed Action Items:

    + Jay: Update screenshots http://www.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/
      [has a couple of them, will send to the marketing-priv ML]
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than
      automatic
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
        + Stuart: Change the default to single page
        + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or
          "Multiple page view"
          [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would
          be great to get that to gerrit]
    + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and
      Grammar'
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation at global.libreoffice.org with the
      wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental,
      somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as
      a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
          + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the
            issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening
            separate too. (Cor, after discussion later)
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Improve focus handling in .ui files (Thomas Viehmann, Caolán)
 
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

    + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor)
      To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676
        + unfortunately we would lose the possibility to change the
          style first, and then draw (Kendy)
            + it is different to how it works in Writer - there you have
              no other option than to draw first, and then tweak the
              color (Jay)
        + current way is similar to eg. Inkscape (Mattias)
        + if we used the sidebar more, it would allow more space for the
          slide (Jay)
        + but interaction should be improved there, indeed (Mattias)
        + what about to restructure this a bit more? (Kendy)
            + proposed a sidebar for colors etc. together with shapes to
              draw (Jay)
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87643
              wps draw sidebar - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111225
 
* Discussions that need a resolution - continue the next week
 
    + Default insert image anchor and wrapping (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720
        + OK with changing the default (Cor)
            + is more concerned about habviour around page breaks, but
              that is independent (Cor)
        + anchored to paragraph, centers the image
        + is that preferred?
            + others insert as character (Jay)
            + changeable via the default style (Cor)
        + MSO has only As character, and To page (Jay)
            + "To character" anchoring should be killed ;-) (Kendy)
                + adds terrible computational complexity (Kendy)
        + will create example of various anchoring possibilities (Mattias)
 
* Discussions that need a resolution - backlog from the last weeks
 
    + When image anchor is set to 'As Character' it should set vertical
      align to top (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87742
    + Unify wrap labels (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87783
    + Unifying the location of 'Tools' (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85511
    + non-breaking characters showing with grey background (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58434
    + keyboard mode indicators in statusbar (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88367
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88296
    + Underlines in drop downs (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678

* Icon Updates / Issues
 
    + Sifr
        + Matthias added a couple of missing ones before the release
            + thanks so much! (Kendy)
            + otherwise busy these days unfortunately
 
    + Breeze (Jay)
        + no news
        + https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123517
        + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell)
          https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze
        + custom LO icons
          https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/actions/LO_lc_icons_breeze

* Customization Proposal (Heiko)
 
    + http://user-prompt.com/how-to-make-libreoffice-customization-usable/
    + added to the to-be-filed-GSoC-ideas above
    
    + published & finished - 12 votes
    + some ideas about events (Heiko)
        + events should be separated to an own section (Heiko)
            + how should that look like and how to launch

    + shortcuts still part of the customization (Heiko)
    + like the approach! (Jay)
 
* Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UuZUJYOLPM3_LdW77OSAaUBpDhRg3iHSjo31DTUEEzk/edit
    + also the dialog:
        + Edit -> Changes -> Accept or Reject... (4.3)
        + Edit -> Channges -> Manage Changes... (4.4)
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87695 (Jay)
        + https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111314
          ms word tracking sidebar
 
    + threaded discussion (when changing comments)
        + do we really need that (Heiko)
            + it is hard to sort, and strange a bit
            + isn't it an overkill for change tracking? (Heiko)
                + adds another level of complexity (Heiko)
            + without the tree view, it could be cleaner + simpler (Heiko)
        + what is the intention - more space, or cleaner interaction? (Cor)
            + likes the Filter functionality (Cor)
 
    + buttons at the top or the bottom?
        + suggest bottom (Jay)
            + is more like a dialog
    + merge the toolbar to the sidebar too (Jay)
        + and kill the toolbar
        + buttons for next / previous change are useful (Kendy)
 
    + would be useful to have information on more lines (Jay/Kendy)
        + how that goes together with sorting? (Heiko)
            + maybe not necessary with filtering? (Jay)
 
AI  + read the Heiko's proposal (all)
        + will add some competitive analysis (Heiko)