Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-01-21

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
 
* Completed Action Items:
    + Kendy: Show the horizontal ruler (but only that) in Writer again
      [done, integrated in time for 4.4.0]
    + Kendy: Talk to Moggi wrt. Context menu entry to edit Conditional
      Formatting
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87357
      [Moggi very busy recently, no UI changes really possible there in
      reasonable future :-(]
    + Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions
      site
      [Andreas mailed design@ ML, Jay will respond.]
    + right-clik on the ruler => the check should be radio-button like.
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88417
      [Fixed by Caolan]
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Jay: Update screenshots on www.libreoffice.org
      [has a couple of them, will send to the marketing-priv ML]
    + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than
      automatic
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
        + Stuart: Change the default to single page
        + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or
          "Multiple page view"
          [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would
          be great to get that to gerrit]
    + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and
      Grammar'
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation at global.libreoffice.org with the
      wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental,
      somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as
      a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Hi-DPI changes in the ruler (dbeurle)
    + .ui files improvements - remove misused frames (Adolfo)
    + Show the horizontal ruler (but only that) in Writer again (Kendy)
    + New sifr icons (Matthias)
    + Radio buttons for ruler settings dropdown (Caolán)
 
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13196/
        + just needs fixes to apply again (Kendy)
        + described how to do that...

* Discussions that need a resolution - resolved items
 
    + Clipboard tools, always expose to context menu or hide when no
      active content? (Jay, Adolfo)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86850
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84177
        + other applications disable such stuff, instead of hiding (Jay)
        + toolbar & menubars in LO - disable stuff (Jay)
            + similar in the control context menus (e.g. 'Line (Jay)
        + hard for the user to find out about functionality (Kendy)
        + ultimate answer should be in the HIG's :-) (Kendy)
            + KDE HIG's agree with disabling, not hiding (Heiko)
              https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/ContextMenu
              "Disable menu items that don't apply to the current
              context, instead of removing them."
            + Gnome HIG's - ???

    + Document preview in open dialog (Jay)
      Adolfo suggest this be a GSoC
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87748
        + good idea for a GSoC task (Kendy)
        + need to double-check the technical feasibility (Kendy)
        + further discussion above in the GSoC section above

    + Better term for "soft hyphens"?
      https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/560
        + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_hyphen (Kendy)
            + 'Optional hyphen' in wikipedia redirects to 'Soft hyphen'
            + so seems well defined to me, and better for a native
              speaker to decide... (Kendy)
        + on Google: 100k hits for "Soft Hyphen", and 17k for "Optional
          Hyphen"
        + OTOH seems that Optional Hyphen might be better understandable
          for non-native speakers (Heiko)
            + German translation is meaningless (Heiko)
        + translators could/should use the correct term in the specific
          language (Jay)
            + and Soft Hyphen sounds good to native speaker
        + conclusion: Let's keep 'soft hyphen'
            + ideal would be to add the wikipedia link as a comment
              where the term appears, but no idea if that's possible

    + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor)
      To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676
        + Impress & Draw only (Jay)
        + Impress uses the sidebar much more (and it was traditionally
          so too) (Jay)
        + is it mostly to disable the toolbar, or is more work needed? (Kendy)
            + only about the change of the default (Jay)
        + unfortunately we would lose the possibility to change the
          style first, and then draw (Kendy)
            + like, now it is possible to choose the color, and draw
              several rectangles with that color etc. (Kendy)
            + this is not possible from the sidebar (Kendy)
 
* Terribly outdated screenshots on www.libreoffice.org (Jay/Kendy)
 
    + Jay has them, will send to marketing-priv (Jay)
 
* Icon Updates / Issues
 
    + Tango_testing should be removed from 4.4 (Jay)
        + should be master-only (Jay)
        + sounds good (Kendy)
            + actually according to what I see in configure.ac, it is
              not in the release builds (Kendy)
    + Hicontrast should be 'High Contrast' (Jay)
        + according to cui/uiconfig/ui/optviewpage.ui, it should be 2
          words (Kendy)
        + maybe some bug? (Kendy)
            + worth testing with the release build (Kendy)
            + indeed, looks like a bug, wrong in 4.3 (Jay)

    + Sifr
 
    + Breeze (Jay)
        + https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123517
        + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell)
          https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze
        + custom LO icons
          https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/actions/LO_lc_icons_breeze

* Customization Proposal (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fPolgF_RyvCYXLIoVaTHkL2ZnaUJkNpIykTWYrDMEY/edit?usp=sharing
    
    + how to involve the users now in the most effective way? (Heiko)
        + survey?  What feedback what do we need / want? (Heiko)
 
    + will publish that on planet.documentfoundation (Heiko)
        + go for that :-) (Kendy)
 
* UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart)
 
    + lots of good stuff there, we should start digesting that (Stuart)
    + will introduce a similar section to 'discussions that need
      resolution' (Kendy)
        + for things that actually need more people to look at (Kendy)