Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-04
kendy at collabora.com
Wed Mar 11 10:36:38 PDT 2015
* Present: Heiko, Jay, Steve, Stuart
* Completed Action Items:
+ Jay/Kendy: GSoC for application (color) themes. (added it, Kendy add the rest)
+ Kendy: More work around templates repository / online templates / integration into the start screen / ...
+ Heiko/Kendy: Rework of the Tools -> Customization... dialog
+ will create a bug report for that (Heiko)
+ Kendy/Jay: Document preview in open dialog
Adolfo suggest this be a GSoC
+ need to double-check the technical feasibility - if that's the system's responsibility or LO's
+ maybe we should re-consider a bit how we are opening files
+ very hard to setup connection to google docs / onedrive etc.
"Have popular CMIS pre-configured in LO custom dialog" - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86699
"Easy access to online document storage services like Google Drive" - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86703
* Pending Action Items:
+ Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic
+ Stuart: Change the default to single page
+ Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or "Multiple page view"
[https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit]
AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted.
+ Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar'
+ Jay: Send a mail to documentation at global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
+ Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
+ Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
+ Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
+ Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
+ Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
+ Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
+ the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
* Easy Hacks to be filed:
+ Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar
+ Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar
when there are tracked changes
+ Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting
+ Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress
+ Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr
+ Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949
+ Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component
+ Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars)
+ Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362
+ Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012:
+ Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default
* GSoC tasks to be filed:
+ Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas
[styles previews in the sidebar etc.]
+ Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc
[longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?]
+ Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)
* Residual issues with BZ migration? Heiko not receiving digest subscription of ux-advise issues, while
those taking all UX-advise seeing issues.
* Discussions that need a resolution - backlog from the last weeks
+ Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor)
To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below
+ unfortunately we would lose the possibility to change the
style first, and then draw (Kendy)
+ it is different to how it works in Writer - there you have
no other option than to draw first, and then tweak the
+ current way is similar to eg. Inkscape (Mattias)
+ if we used the sidebar more, it would allow more space for the
+ but interaction should be improved there, indeed (Mattias)
+ what about to restructure this a bit more? (Kendy)
+ proposed a sidebar for colors etc. together with shapes to draw (Jay)
wps draw sidebar - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111225
+ Related issues of tdf 88931 - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88931
rather than hiding specific toolbars, provide ability to toggle all toolbars on/off
+ but what is the usability of a toolbarless draw or impress? (Jay)
+ if we were do it, provide for all modules -- like toggle full screen, users figure it out
+ Hiding the line and filling toolbar
+ Tutorial vids not mentioning its use to change the color before adding it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yxgITpnS08&t=1m0s (uses styles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaQdtjhxQM&t=20m34s (user even goes into the dialog to change color)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMlP0yEnyugFogqcxPHzTZXI8p2YO8sO2 (tutorial series not mentioning shapes)
+ Application behaviour
+ have to set shape style after insert - Powerpoint 2010, WPS Presenation, Calligra Stage, iWork Keynote
+ can set the shape style before insert - Presentations x7 (they have the settings in the shapes toolbar)
+ presentation x7 - http://i.imgur.com/XrGBbMt.png
+ The "New Styles from Selection" in the Sidebar Styles and Formatting content panel allows efficient creation
of new styles from objects that have been directly formatting.
--> Needs to be more prominent (e.g. context menu) (Heiko)
+ Streamline the UI, have a single place for settings. (Jay)
Hide Object (Line and filing), Image and Character toolbars -- giving a more consistenet UI, too many choices now.
Use the standard toolbar for a few things, the drawing toolbar for a few--and hide the Line and Filing toolbar.
would be better to have all direct formatting now available in the sidebar.
Object creation would be from Standard toolbar or a revamped Drawing toolbar.
+ Alignment, arrangement, distribution, etc. - already on the context menu, so no loss. (Jay)
+ Possibly put alignment, arrangement, etc. into the Drawings toolbar (Jay)
+ Multiple selected objects receive arangement, alignment (access via context menu only: Jay, access context menu plus toolbar: Heiko)
* Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko)
+ breifly ran through the alternative dialogs and symbology, pg 5 of proposal.
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