Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-11

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
 
* Completed Action Items:

    + Jay/Kendy: GSoC for application (color) themes. (added it, Kendy add the rest)
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#Application_Themes
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J_aogLuQThqhvT0R2em27Vpew-SLAQgpH5TbNTgXPZM/edit?usp=sharing
    + Kendy: More work around templates repository / online templates / integration into the start screen / ...
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85420
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108377
    + Heiko/Kendy: Rework of the Tools -> Customization... dialog
      http://user-prompt.com/how-to-make-libreoffice-customization-usable/
        + will create a bug report for that (Heiko)
        -> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88896
    + Kendy/Jay: Document preview in open dialog
      Adolfo suggest this be a GSoC
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87748
        + need to double-check the technical feasibility - if that's the system's responsibility or LO's
        + maybe we should re-consider a bit how we are opening files
            + very hard to setup connection to google docs / onedrive etc.
            "Have popular CMIS pre-configured in LO custom dialog" - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86699 
            "Easy access to online document storage services like Google Drive" - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86703
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001
        + Stuart: Change the default to single page
        + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to "Multipage view" or "Multiple page view"
          [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit]
          AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted.
    + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar'
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation at global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
        + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
          and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
    + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
 
* Easy Hacks to be filed:

    + Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217
    + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar
      when there are tracked changes
    + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting
    + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2
    + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr
    + Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949
    + Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component
      is activated
    + Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars)
    + Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362
    + Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012:
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Options/Global
    + Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
 
* GSoC tasks to be filed:

    + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas
          [styles previews in the sidebar etc.]
        + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc
          https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493
          [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?]
        + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)
    + Kendy: On-demand / programmatic colorization of the Sifr icons
    + Kendy: Change tracking UI in the document
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + search function for the Advanced configuration implemented!
 
* FOSDEM report
 
    + Kendy had 2 Design / UX talks
        + Open Document Editors devroom
        + Open Source Design devroom
    + well attended, good questions - good feeling about that overall (Kendy)
        + hope it will bring more contributors :-) (Stuart)
 
*  Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko)

    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UuZUJYOLPM3_LdW77OSAaUBpDhRg3iHSjo31DTUEEzk
    + like the 3rd proposal (Kendy)
        + alternating colors
        + can even have graphics for the Inserted / Deleted / Changed format / ... (Kendy)
    + sorting is a bit an issue with the 3rd proposal (Heiko)
        + separate listbox or so.
        + a set of toggle / radio buttons? (Heiko)
    + feature that would be rather cool: show changes up to a defined point of time (Kendy)
        + something like the filter? (Heiko)
        + more like the changes older than a defined time would be "folded" - showed as
          not change tracked, but as a normal text (Kendy)
        + technically the implementation is the hard part here, the UI is hopefully
          simple (Kendy)
    + layout: action as the icon, name, time
        + using icon for action rather than text is problematic, similar to how it is in
          impress custom animations, as it is hard to represent the needed actions in icons
          which makes it a harder learning curve for users. If anything, use text and icon (Jay)
        + not that attached to icons of course :-) (Kendy)
            + text is fine to me too (Kendy)
            + but different color might be useful still (Kendy)
        + OTOH if the icons are good, icons are useful (Heiko)
        + could do a poll, not that big problem I hope (Kendy)
        + if we have colors for the various actions, how to deal with the colors of the
          authors? (Heiko)
            + a stripe at the change? (Kendy)
            + but probably an overkill (Heiko)
                + we already have the names on the line (Heiko)
    + orthogonal to this: a separate GSoC for better in-document representation of
      tracked changes (Kendy)
 
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
 
    + Residual issues with BZ migration? Heiko not receiving digest subscription of ux-advise
      issues, while those taking all UX-advise seeing issues. (Stuart)
        + bugzilla was not sending the mails; fixed now (Stuart)
        
* UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart)
 
    + recurring topic to be used for UX advise bugs that need action
    + keeps piling up, unfortunately (Stuart)
    + everyone should feel empowered to look at that + act (Stuart)
        + but don't want to be a "gatekeeper" :-) (Stuart)
    + for the moment, Stuart will pick 5 for each meeting - the most burning ones (Kendy)
        + and let's see how it develops (Kendy)
 
* GSoC

    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
    + filled the page with the UI tasks (Kendy)
    + some still to do, see top of this page (Kendy)
    + feel free to improve descriptions (Kendy)