minutes of ESC call ...
Xisco Fauli
xiscofauli at libreoffice.org
Thu Dec 1 21:03:24 UTC 2016
Hello,
I've just created the event for FOSDEM and now I see it as 'undifined'
in the events section. Is that correct and enough for the event creation?
Regards
El 01/12/16 a les 19:32, Michael Meeks ha escrit:
> * Present:
> + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy,
> janI, Caolán, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Eike, Sophie,
> Miklos, Xisco, Andras (left 16:25), Christian, Michael M
>
> * Completed Action Items:
> + marked osl::Condition deprecated (Michael)
>
> * Pending Action Items:
> + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
> + ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
> + move git-dm to gerrit (Norbert)
>
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
> + 5.2.4.1 status (Cloph)
> + tagged, and announced for early testing
> + RC2 in two weeks
> + 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch
> + Late features:
> + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
> + misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
> + most probably finished the next week
> + Firebird by default ? (Lionel)
> => suggest to enable this on master for 5.4
> + 5.3.0 Beta2 the next week (Cloph)
> + bugfixes + update of the translation templates
>
> + Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
> + tinderbox breakage, fixed
> + preparing a new build based on the branch-off tag -> app-store tomorrow.
> + updated the application icon, and released the new version
> + online (Michael)
> + branched for -5-3
>
> * FOSDEM talks
> + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM17/event/new
> https://penta.fosdem.org/user/new_account/FOSDEM17 if you don’t have account yet
> + DEADLINE is Monday!
> + 20 minutes sessions is fine! :-)
> + who is going ?
> + Xisco: interoperability regression testing
> + Kendy: Something wrt. Online
> + Andras: ???
> + Bjoern: IDE integration (already submitted), SwClient/Modify Horrorshow (possibly)
> + Stephan: Extensions
> + cloph: no topic yet
> + Heiko: Contextual groups Notebookbar
> + Olivier: XHP in your browser
> + caolan: gtk3 and wayland status
> + Eike: ?
> + Thorsten/Bubli/Samuel/Armin: TBD tomorrow
> + Michael: “threading nightmares”
>
> * Documentation (Olivier)
> + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
> + separating images and icons for help modules
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
> + why not just push it ? (Michael)
> + will mark tons of strings as modified in pootle (Thorsten)
> + unless we can avoid touching the strings ? (Olivier)
> + perhaps a script; but script neeeds writing (Sophie)
> + somewhat less motivated to push for 5.3 here (Thorsten)
> + do we really need this in 5.3 ?
> + will be screenshots (Olivier)
> + unlikely help authors will need the screen-shotting for 5-3- (Thorsten)
> => defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
> + Cloph has script templates
> + but needs examples of the changes to the UI files.
> AI: + provide information for cloph on what the change is (Olivier)
> + Several patches into help by Gabor Kelemen,
> + janitoring Math deleted features
> + New chapters of books to be revised
> + Brazilians finished Getting started Guide 5.0, will publish next week
> + So far we have issues with translations;
> templates for PT_br are not up-loaded.
> It is included (Sophie)
>
> * UX Update (Heiko)
> + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
> 257(257) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
> + Updates:
> BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
> added 7(1) 21(5) 65(0) 492(5)
> commented 54(9) 235(41) 987(51) 2825(64)
> removed 0(0) 1(-1) 26(0) 30(0)
> resolved 7(7) 16(-23) 112(2) 128(6)
> + top 10 contributors:
> Heiko Tietze made 55 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
> Yousuf Philips made 14 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
> *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
> *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
> Samuel Mehrbrodt made 10 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
> Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
> Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
> *UNKNOWN* made 8 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
> Björn Michaelsen made 7 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
> V Stuart Foote made 6 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
> + hot topics
> + concerns wrt. The new landing page layout for Help
> + happy to improve look & UK (Olivier)
> + if content stays the same, no prblem to improve the look.
> + color palettes
> work in progress
> + patches are applied etc.
> + if you’re against renaming the branding colours comment etc.
> + Kudos – to Stephan
> + for making it possible to have Extensions including Color Palettes
> + to be included into 5-3 via a rather small patch
> + copy/paste numbered lists with different behavior as Windows
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92672
> + WFM even better
> + different behaviour here; need dev. Input
> + our behaviour is more consistent (Thorsten)
> + outline numbering is a nightmare (Michael)
> + api change
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104088
> .uno:InsertPageNumber / .uno:HeaderAndFooter
> + produces the same dialog.
> + easy hack; on-off for page-numbers ?
> + Bubli said it’s not an easy hack (JanI)
> + API change needs discussing in the ESC (JanI)
> + Change UNO command in impress – to insert-page-number
> + Not sure why the change is needed ? (Cloph)
> + easy to find, easy to locate in the menu; don’t change dialog itself.
> + UNO commands not visible to users (Kendy)
> + could break scripts etc.
> + don’t care about UNO commands, but the menu.
> + unclear what the user wants (Kendy)
> + he expects a toggle function (Heiko)
> => come up with a clearer proposal.
> + blog post about versioning
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyndmOMAG2knwKK5lXQMm7pSkdHF7i4rdDYzKI1xemc
> (postponed for next week)
> + do other people like ODF versioning inside ODF ? (Michael)
> + unique feature – confusing to users ? (Miklos)
> + confusing, and hard to explain (Bjoern)
> + unclear if it is worth limiting it if its in ODF ? (Thorsten)
> + horror nested revision control issues (Michael)
> + if we publicise it people will use it & find nasty bugs (Bjoern)
> + lets get the foundation right first.
>
> * Crashtest update (Caolan)
> + 0 import failure, 32 export failures
> - erack fixed them, no build in progress
> + 20 coverity.
> - no update
>
> * POSS / ODF plugest (Thorsten/Michael)
> + great conference, lovely people, friendly stuff
> + great LibreOffice booth run by local French Community:
> + thanks to all involved with that.
> + the ODF plug-testing UI is interesting (Thorsten)
> + https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en
> AI: + investigate it for test automation (Xisco)
> + doesn’t need deep technical skills.
> + JOS requested a backend server (Michael S)
> + bit of a pain to setup.
>
> * Hackfests (Bjoern)
> + next venues / suggestions
> + 33c3 CfP open (Bjoern):
> + https://events.ccc.de/2016/09/01/call-for-participation-33rd-chaos-communication-congress-en/
> + FSFE will be there, we can meet up with them.
> + FOSDEM - confirmed dev-room (Michael)
> + 3rd Feb 2017 - board (+MC) meetings.
> + 4th/5th Feb 2017 - core FOSDEM dates
> + 6th/7th Feb 2017 - Hackfest at Beta Coworking.
> + http://bedfordhotelcongresscentre.com/ suggested instead.
> + CfP going out at some stage.
> + CfP has been out for a while and ends early December. (jani)
> + https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/11/04/fosdem-call-for-papers-open-document-editors-devroom/
> + collect talks nearer the event.
>
>
> * mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
> + openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
> 1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 8301307(8301307) lines of code
> 284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
> + gerrit/git statistics:
> committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
> open 32(-1) 55(0) 62(3) 62(3)
> reviews 364(-16) 1252(1) 3497(-83) 17474(29)
> merged 248(93) 815(73) 2187(89) 8528(158)
> abandoned 12(-2) 46(6) 137(0) 649(12)
> commits 286(-5) 1318(-44) 3863(-112) 15516(-136)
> contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
> open 23(10) 43(9) 46(5) 46(5)
> reviews 609(172) 1767(196) 4432(189) 17440(315)
> merged 29(-5) 112(8) 353(-3) 1287(-7)
> abandoned 8(6) 16(4) 51(3) 416(-4)
> commits 56(-8) 241(12) 861(-26) 4098(-11)
> + easyHack statistics:
> needsDevEval 18(18) needsUXEval 4(4) cleanup_comments 192(192)
> total 236(236) assigned 13(13) open 199(199)
> + received patches from 1 emails the last month without licesense statement
> + top 5 contributors:
> Gabor Kelemen made 39 patches in 1 month, and 141 patches in 1 year
> Zdenek Crhonek made 21 patches in 1 month, and 301 patches in 1 year
> Bartosz Kosiorek made 15 patches in 1 month, and 26 patches in 1 year
> melike made 7 patches in 1 month, and 14 patches in 1 year
> Lera Goncharuk made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
> + top 5 reviewers:
> jan iversen made 177 review comments in 1 month, and 1668 in 1 year
> Markus Mohrhard made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1602 in 1 year
> Noel Grandin made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1210 in 1 year
> Eike Rathke made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 1288 in 1 year
> Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1389 in 1 year
> + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
> Pierre Lepage
> Lera Goncharuk
> Yossi Zahn
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>
> + gitdm-config, outstanding: git-committer(0), gitdm-aliases(83), git-author(254)
> + Developer page, getting outdated, do we want that ?
> + 6 new devs; one updated the page.
> + in absence of guidance from Norbert (Michael)
> + worth keeping the page up-to-date, but not treating it as authoritative
> + needed by core devs to check people have statements (Miklos)
>
> * GCC -Og (Michael S)
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31334/
> + discovered this new option supported since 4.8 or so.
> + promised that this should not impact debuggability of code
> but still a bit optimized.
> + found a from-scratch build, a tiny-bit slower; 75 vs. 76 minutes.
> + a ‘make check’ incremental runs much faster:
> + 15mins before to 12mins with -Og
> + devs don’t usually re-build from scratch; should be faster in practice.
> + did some debugging yesterday too …
> + it can happen that variables that are no longer live are optimised out
> + otherwise nothing problematic.
> + assume most of the win from calc / templates ? (Michael M)
> + some 30% win there (Michael S)
> + still use explicit options to tell gcc not to inline (Michael S)
> + try removing those ?
> + Googled for it (Jmux)
> + -Og is same as -O1 except for some settings.
> => turn -Og on for a bit and see how it goes.
>
> * Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
> => punt 1 more week for Markus' return and/or to the list.
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
>
> * Commit Access
>
> * Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
> + sleeping 2 weeks.
>
> * Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
>
> * Hardware issues (Michael)
> + Khaled – Windows – hardware on the way to him.
> + Mac -> x5 issue.
> + Swiss Mac – currently idling (Cloph)
> + not sure if we have physical hardware left
>
> * l10n (Sophie)
> + some languages didn’t get updated
> + Christian has triggered a new update today, so the issue should be solved
> + LibreOffice Online pot update in Pootle?
> + will double check if it is really up-to-date or not (Cloph)
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104087
> (templates containing non-english strings) – worth fixing? (cloph)
> + will take a look (Sophie)
>
> * Window::dispose() crashers (Michael)
> + had a poke at the top crash reported traces
> + fixed a proximate cause.
> + at some point Armin looked into a shape issue (Caolan)
> + one type of shape carries a lot of resources around with it
> see fix in e6adb3e8b4de3c0f78d249b83de19b849ef65b59
> + is the existing bug related to that ?
> + EditEngine – creating a new VirtualDevice
> + why do we create tousands of these during save ?
> + back in the day (Thorsten)
> + serious issue on terminal services: even more limited.
> + AI: add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
> + may be behind missing bitmaps, black windows etc. (Michael, Thorsen)
> + QA tip: checking GDI handle explosions:
> + 10k GDI handles is the limit:
> + https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsui_team/2013/04/23/debugging-a-gdi-resource-leak/
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102688
> + huge numbers of EditEngine created during export
> + each with three 'idle/timers' for spell-checking etc. (huh?)
>
> * QA update (Xisco)
> + UNCONFIRMED: 532 (-5)
> + enhancements: 47 (+7)
> + needsUXEval: 4 (+2)
> + haveBackTrace: 16 (+1)
> + needsDevAdvice: 37 (+3)
>
> + Finding lots more regressions in PPTX using regression finding tool (Xisco)
> + hence some of the spike this week
> + will take a while to find & fix (Miklos)
>
> + Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
> + Couple of critical firebird regressions.
> + is it going to be default in 5.3 ?
> + unclear – cf. Lionel’s action item
> + macOS: newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
> + macOS: libreoffice crash on startup, VCL thread mutex condition
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103690
> + FILEOPEN: DOCX: Chart bars not imported
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103963
> + macOS: CRASH newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker ...
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
> + no app-icon regression:
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103626
> + macOS: LO closed then opening any document by double-click never...
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77444
>
> + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions
> + 4 open; 4 open last meeting
>
> * QA stats
>
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
> +144 -125 (+19 overall)
> many thanks to the top bug squashers:
> Buovjaga 15
> Xisco Faulí 13
> Adolfo Jayme 11
> Julien Nabet 8
> Aron Budea 7
> V Stuart Foote 7
> Telesto 5
> Khaled Hosny 5
> Yousuf Philips (jay) 5
> Alex Thurgood 4
> Luke 4
> Heiko Tietze 3
> Zolnai Tamás 3
> Justin L 3
> Timur 3
>
> + Can we improve these stats ? (Xisco)
> + would love to have people doing QA work (Michael)
> + and also developers who fixed bugs
>
> * Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
> 5.2: 2/22 - 9%
> 5.1: 2/32 - 6%
> 5.0: 3/57 - 5%
> 4.4: 5/74 - 6%
> 4.3: 4/69 - 5%
> 4.2: 6/132 - 4%
> 4.1: 4/79 - 5%
> 4.0: 5/82 - 6%
> old: 29/247 - 11%
>
> + http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC
>
> * Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
> + more accurate - down to a single commit.
> + 303/1087 292/1061 261/1015 261/1003 261/996 259/988 245/891
> + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
>
> * Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
> + 378/1618 366/1593 348/1557 350/1545 352/1538 351/1530 345/1516
> + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
>
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
> + 722(+19) bugs open of 5462(+42) total 14(+5) high prio.
>
> * ~Component count net * high severity regressions
> Base - 4 (+2)
> LibreOffice - 3 (+1)
> Writer - 2 (+1)
> Calc - 2 (+0)
> filter / storage - 1 (+1)
> Impress - 1 (+0)
> Chart - 1 (+0)
>
> + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
>
> by OS:
> + All - 6
> + Mac - 5
> + Win - 2
> + Lin - 1
>
> * ~Component count net * all regressions
> Writer: other - 125 (-17)
> Calc - 117 (+1)
> Impress - 66 (+4)
> Writer: docx - 59 (+19)
> LibreOffice - 54 (+1)
> UI - 38 (+0)
> graphics stack - 36 (-1)
> Base - 35 (+3)
> Writer: doc - 32 (+6)
> Draw - 29 (+0)
> Borders - 28 (+1)
> Crashes - 30 (+4)
> filter / storage - 19 (+1)
> Writer: filter - 20 (+3)
> Chart - 16 (+0)
> print / PDF export - 16 (+0)
> BASIC - 10 (+0)
> Writer: perf - 11 (+2)
> framework - 3 (+0)
> Extensions - 2 (-1)
> Installation - 1 (+0)
> sdk - 1 (+0)
> Formula Editor - 1 (+0)
> + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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