minutes of ESC call ...

Xisco Fauli xiscofauli at libreoffice.org
Thu Dec 1 21:03:24 UTC 2016


Hello,

I've just created the event for FOSDEM and now I see it as 'undifined' 
in the events section. Is that correct and enough for the event creation?

Regards

El 01/12/16 a les 19:32, Michael Meeks ha escrit:
> * Present:
>      + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy,
>        janI, Caolán, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Eike, Sophie,
>        Miklos, Xisco, Andras (left 16:25), Christian, Michael M
>
> * Completed Action Items:
>      + marked osl::Condition deprecated (Michael)
>   
> * Pending Action Items:
>      + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
>      + ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
>      + move git-dm to gerrit (Norbert)
>   
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
>      + 5.2.4.1 status (Cloph)
>          + tagged, and announced  for early testing
>          + RC2 in two weeks
>      + 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch
>          + Late features:
> 	      + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
>              + misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
>                  + most probably finished the next week
>              + Firebird by default ? (Lionel)
>                  => suggest to enable this on master for 5.4
>      + 5.3.0 Beta2 the next week (Cloph)
>          + bugfixes + update of the translation templates
>      
>      + Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
>          + tinderbox breakage, fixed
>          + preparing a new build based on the branch-off tag -> app-store tomorrow.
>          + updated the application icon, and released the new version
>      + online (Michael)
> 	+ branched for -5-3
>   
> * FOSDEM talks
>       + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM17/event/new
>         https://penta.fosdem.org/user/new_account/FOSDEM17 if you don’t have account yet
>       + DEADLINE is Monday!
>       + 20 minutes sessions is fine! :-)
>       + who is going  ?
>           + Xisco: interoperability regression testing
>           + Kendy: Something wrt. Online
>           + Andras: ???
>           + Bjoern: IDE integration (already submitted), SwClient/Modify Horrorshow (possibly)
>           + Stephan: Extensions
>           + cloph: no topic yet
>           + Heiko: Contextual groups Notebookbar
>           + Olivier: XHP in your browser
> 	   + caolan: gtk3 and wayland status
> 	   + Eike: ?
>           + Thorsten/Bubli/Samuel/Armin: TBD tomorrow
>           + Michael: “threading nightmares”
>
> * Documentation (Olivier)
>       + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
>           + separating images and icons for help modules
>                + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
>                + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
>           + why not just push it ? (Michael)
> 		+ will mark tons of strings as modified in pootle (Thorsten)
> 			+ unless we can avoid touching the strings ? (Olivier)
> 			+ perhaps a script; but script neeeds writing (Sophie)
> 		+ somewhat less motivated to push for 5.3 here (Thorsten)
> 			+ do we really need this in 5.3 ?
> 			+ will be screenshots (Olivier)
> 			+ unlikely help authors will need the screen-shotting for 5-3- (Thorsten)
> 		=> defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
> 			+ Cloph has script templates
> 				+ but needs examples of the changes to the UI files.
> AI:			+ provide information for cloph on what the change is (Olivier)
>        + Several patches into help by Gabor Kelemen,
>               + janitoring Math deleted features
>        + New chapters of books to be revised
>        + Brazilians finished Getting started Guide 5.0, will publish next week
>        + So far we have issues with translations;
> 		templates for PT_br are not up-loaded.
> 		It is included (Sophie)
>   
> * UX Update (Heiko)
>    + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
>      257(257) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
>     + Updates:
>         BZ changes   1 week   1 month    3 months   12 months
>              added      7(1)     21(5)      65(0)      492(5)
>          commented     54(9)    235(41)    987(51)    2825(64)
>            removed      0(0)      1(-1)     26(0)       30(0)
>           resolved      7(7)     16(-23)   112(2)      128(6)
>     + top 10 contributors:
>           Heiko Tietze made 55 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
>           Yousuf Philips made 14 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
>           *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
>           *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
>           Samuel Mehrbrodt made 10 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
>           Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
>           Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
>           *UNKNOWN* made 8 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
>           Björn Michaelsen made 7 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
>           V Stuart Foote made 6 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
>    + hot topics
>     + concerns wrt. The new landing page layout for Help
>       + happy to improve look & UK (Olivier)
>           + if content stays the same, no prblem to improve the look.
>     + color palettes
>       work in progress
>       + patches are applied etc.
>       + if you’re against renaming the branding colours comment etc.
>       + Kudos – to Stephan
>           + for making it possible to have Extensions including Color Palettes
>           + to be included into 5-3 via a rather small patch
>     + copy/paste numbered lists  with different behavior as Windows
>       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92672
>           + WFM even better
>       + different behaviour here; need dev. Input
>           + our behaviour is more consistent (Thorsten)
>          + outline numbering is a nightmare (Michael)
>     + api change
>       https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104088
>      .uno:InsertPageNumber / .uno:HeaderAndFooter
>          + produces the same dialog.
>          + easy hack; on-off for page-numbers ?
>              + Bubli said it’s not an easy hack (JanI)
>          + API change needs discussing in the ESC (JanI)
>          + Change UNO command in impress – to insert-page-number
>          + Not sure why the change is needed ? (Cloph)
>              + easy to find, easy to locate in the menu; don’t change dialog itself.
>          + UNO commands not visible to users (Kendy)
>              + could break scripts etc.
>          + don’t care about UNO commands, but the menu.
>          + unclear what the user wants (Kendy)
>              + he expects a toggle function (Heiko)
>          => come up with a clearer proposal.
>     + blog post about versioning
>      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyndmOMAG2knwKK5lXQMm7pSkdHF7i4rdDYzKI1xemc
>       (postponed for next week)
>          + do other people like ODF versioning inside ODF ? (Michael)
>              + unique feature – confusing to users ? (Miklos)
>              + confusing, and hard to explain (Bjoern)
>              + unclear if it is worth limiting it if its in ODF ? (Thorsten)
> 		+ horror nested revision control issues (Michael)
> 		+ if we publicise it people will use it & find nasty bugs (Bjoern)
> 			+ lets get the foundation right first.
>
> * Crashtest update (Caolan)
>      + 0 import failure, 32 export failures
>        - erack fixed them, no build in progress
>      + 20 coverity.
> 	- no update
>
> * POSS / ODF plugest (Thorsten/Michael)
>      + great conference, lovely people, friendly stuff
>      + great LibreOffice booth run by local French Community:
>           + thanks to all involved with that.
>      + the ODF plug-testing UI is interesting (Thorsten)
>           + https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en
> AI:      + investigate it for test automation (Xisco)
>           + doesn’t need deep technical skills.
>      + JOS requested a backend server (Michael S)
>           + bit of a pain to setup.
>
> * Hackfests (Bjoern)
>      + next venues / suggestions
>      + 33c3 CfP open (Bjoern):
>                + https://events.ccc.de/2016/09/01/call-for-participation-33rd-chaos-communication-congress-en/
>          + FSFE will be there, we can meet up with them.
>      + FOSDEM - confirmed dev-room (Michael)
>          +     3rd Feb 2017 - board (+MC) meetings.
>          + 4th/5th Feb 2017 - core FOSDEM dates
>          + 6th/7th Feb 2017 - Hackfest at Beta Coworking.
>                    + http://bedfordhotelcongresscentre.com/ suggested instead.
>          + CfP going out at some stage.
>                          + CfP has been out for a while and ends early December. (jani)
>                          + https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/11/04/fosdem-call-for-papers-open-document-editors-devroom/
>          + collect talks nearer the event.
>   
>
> * mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
>    + openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
>       1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 8301307(8301307) lines of code
>       284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
>     + gerrit/git statistics:
>         committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
>                 open      32(-1)      55(0)       62(3)         62(3)
>              reviews     364(-16)   1252(1)     3497(-83)    17474(29)
>               merged     248(93)     815(73)    2187(89)      8528(158)
>            abandoned      12(-2)      46(6)      137(0)        649(12)
>              commits     286(-5)    1318(-44)   3863(-112)   15516(-136)
>         contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
>                   open      23(10)      43(9)       46(5)        46(5)
>                reviews     609(172)   1767(196)   4432(189)   17440(315)
>                 merged      29(-5)     112(8)      353(-3)     1287(-7)
>              abandoned       8(6)       16(4)       51(3)       416(-4)
>                commits      56(-8)     241(12)     861(-26)    4098(-11)
>     + easyHack statistics:
>        needsDevEval 18(18)   needsUXEval 4(4)   cleanup_comments 192(192)
>        total 236(236)   assigned 13(13)   open 199(199)
>     + received patches from 1 emails the last month without licesense statement
>     + top 5 contributors:
>           Gabor Kelemen made 39 patches in 1 month, and 141 patches in 1 year
>           Zdenek Crhonek made 21 patches in 1 month, and 301 patches in 1 year
>           Bartosz Kosiorek made 15 patches in 1 month, and 26 patches in 1 year
>           melike made 7 patches in 1 month, and 14 patches in 1 year
>           Lera Goncharuk made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
>     + top 5 reviewers:
>           jan iversen made 177 review comments in 1 month, and 1668 in 1 year
>           Markus Mohrhard made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1602 in 1 year
>           Noel Grandin made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1210 in 1 year
>           Eike Rathke made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 1288 in 1 year
>           Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1389 in 1 year
>     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
>           Pierre Lepage
>           Lera Goncharuk
>           Yossi Zahn
>           John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>
>     + gitdm-config, outstanding: git-committer(0), gitdm-aliases(83), git-author(254)
>     +  Developer page, getting outdated, do we want that ?
>         + 6 new devs; one updated the page.
>         + in absence of guidance from Norbert (Michael)
>            + worth keeping the page up-to-date, but not treating it as authoritative
>            + needed by core devs to check people have statements (Miklos)
>
> * GCC -Og (Michael S)
>     + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31334/
>        + discovered this new option supported since 4.8 or so.
>        + promised that this should not impact debuggability of code
>          but still a bit optimized.
>        + found a from-scratch build, a tiny-bit slower; 75 vs. 76 minutes.
>        + a ‘make check’ incremental runs much faster:
>           + 15mins before to 12mins with -Og
>     + devs don’t usually re-build from scratch; should be faster in practice.
>        + did some debugging yesterday too …
>        + it can happen that variables that are no longer live are optimised out
>        + otherwise nothing problematic.
>     + assume most of the win from calc / templates ? (Michael M)
>        + some 30% win there (Michael S)
>     + still use explicit options to tell gcc not to inline (Michael S)
>        + try removing those ?
>     + Googled for it (Jmux)
>        + -Og is same as -O1 except for some settings.
>     => turn -Og on for a bit and see how it goes.
>
> * Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
>      => punt 1 more week for Markus' return and/or to the list.
>      + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
>      + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
>   
> * Commit Access
>
> * Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
>      + sleeping 2 weeks.
>
> * Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
>   
> * Hardware issues (Michael)
>      + Khaled – Windows – hardware on the way to him.
>      + Mac -> x5 issue.
>      + Swiss Mac – currently idling (Cloph)
>          + not sure if we have physical hardware left
>
> * l10n (Sophie)
>      + some languages didn’t get updated
>          + Christian has triggered a new update today, so the issue should be solved
>      + LibreOffice Online pot update in Pootle?
>          + will double check if it is really up-to-date or not (Cloph)
>      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104087
> 	(templates containing non-english strings) – worth fixing? (cloph)
>          + will take a look (Sophie)
>
> * Window::dispose() crashers (Michael)
>      + had a poke at the top crash reported traces
>          + fixed a proximate cause.
>      + at some point Armin looked into a shape issue (Caolan)
>          + one type of shape carries a lot of resources around with it
>                see fix in e6adb3e8b4de3c0f78d249b83de19b849ef65b59
>          + is the existing bug related to that ?
>      + EditEngine – creating a new VirtualDevice
>          + why do we create tousands of these during save ?
>          + back in the day (Thorsten)
>                + serious issue on terminal services: even more limited.
>          + AI: add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
>          + may be behind missing bitmaps, black windows etc. (Michael, Thorsen)
>      + QA tip: checking GDI handle explosions:
> 	+ 10k GDI handles is the limit:
> 	    + https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsui_team/2013/04/23/debugging-a-gdi-resource-leak/
>      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102688
>          + huge numbers of EditEngine created during export
> 	    + each with three 'idle/timers' for spell-checking etc. (huh?)
>
> * QA update (Xisco)
>      + UNCONFIRMED: 532 (-5)
>          + enhancements: 47 (+7)
>          + needsUXEval: 4 (+2)
>          + haveBackTrace: 16 (+1)
>          + needsDevAdvice: 37 (+3)
>
>      + Finding lots more regressions in PPTX using regression finding tool (Xisco)
>          + hence some of the spike this week
>          + will take a while to find & fix (Miklos)
>   
>      + Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
> 	+ Couple of critical firebird regressions.
>          + is it going to be default in 5.3 ?
>             + unclear – cf. Lionel’s action item
>    	  + macOS: newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker
> 		+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
>          + macOS: libreoffice crash on startup, VCL thread mutex condition
>                  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103690
>          + FILEOPEN: DOCX: Chart bars not imported
>                  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103963
>          + macOS: CRASH newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker ...
>                  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
>          + no app-icon regression:
>                  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103626
>          + macOS: LO closed then opening any document by double-click never...
>                  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77444
>
>      + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions
>          + 4 open; 4 open last meeting
>
> * QA stats
>
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
>      +144    -125	(+19 overall)
>      many thanks to the top bug squashers:
>          Buovjaga              15
>          Xisco Faulí           13
>          Adolfo Jayme          11
>          Julien Nabet           8
>          Aron Budea             7
>          V Stuart Foote         7
>          Telesto                5
>          Khaled Hosny           5
>          Yousuf Philips (jay)   5
>          Alex Thurgood          4
>          Luke                   4
>          Heiko Tietze           3
>          Zolnai Tamás           3
>          Justin L               3
>          Timur                  3
>
> 	+ Can we improve these stats ? (Xisco)
>            + would love to have people doing QA work (Michael)
>                + and also developers who fixed bugs
>
> * Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
>          5.2: 2/22   -  9%
>          5.1: 2/32   -  6%
>          5.0: 3/57   -  5%
>          4.4: 5/74   -  6%
>          4.3: 4/69   -  5%
>          4.2: 6/132  -  4%
>          4.1: 4/79   -  5%
>          4.0: 5/82   -  6%
>          old: 29/247 - 11%
>
>          + http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC
>
> * Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
>      + more accurate - down to a single commit.
>      + 303/1087 292/1061 261/1015 261/1003 261/996 259/988 245/891
>         + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
>
> * Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
>      + 378/1618 366/1593 348/1557 350/1545 352/1538 351/1530 345/1516
>          + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
>
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
>      + 722(+19) bugs open of 5462(+42) total 14(+5) high prio.
>
>          * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
>                    Base - 4 (+2)
>             LibreOffice - 3 (+1)
>                 Writer  - 2 (+1)
>                    Calc - 2 (+0)
>        filter / storage - 1 (+1)
>                 Impress - 1 (+0)
>                   Chart - 1 (+0)
>
>                  + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
>
> 		by OS:
> 			+ All - 6
> 			+ Mac - 5
> 			+ Win - 2
> 			+ Lin - 1
>
>          * ~Component   count net * all regressions
>            Writer: other - 125 (-17)
>                     Calc - 117 (+1)
>                  Impress - 66 (+4)
>             Writer: docx - 59 (+19)
>              LibreOffice - 54 (+1)
>                       UI - 38 (+0)
>           graphics stack - 36 (-1)
>                     Base - 35 (+3)
>              Writer: doc - 32 (+6)
>                     Draw - 29 (+0)
>                  Borders - 28 (+1)
>                  Crashes - 30 (+4)
>         filter / storage - 19 (+1)
>           Writer: filter - 20 (+3)
>                    Chart - 16 (+0)
>       print / PDF export - 16 (+0)
>                    BASIC - 10 (+0)
>             Writer: perf - 11 (+2)
>                framework -  3 (+0)
>               Extensions -  2 (-1)
>             Installation -  1 (+0)
>                      sdk -  1 (+0)
>           Formula Editor -  1 (+0)
>                  + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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