alternatives to Firebird: sqlite

Dan Lewis elderdanlewis at
Tue Mar 8 14:47:33 UTC 2016

On 03/08/2016 06:47 AM, SOS wrote:
> A disruptive solution could be to abandon the "embedded"  idea and 
> replace the current embedded engine by a new engine who use a 
> spreadsheet file  as a "editable" storage who is protected for 
> accidental editing.
> Currently the use off a spreadsheet as database works fine en is fast 
> enough for most small data sets. Just makes this system, editable.
> For bigger data sets, users can and will use a database off  there own 
> choice yo  been connected to LO.
> Greetz
> Fernand
      Abandoning the "embedded" idea may be a good idea. One of the 
things that Base does is connect to a spreedsheet, but how does one use 
Base in this manner to create a relational database? Just how involved 
with such a speadsheet be? What would the RDBMS be for a relatational 
database? (DBMS is not designed for a relational database as I 
understand it.

> On 8/03/2016 9:02, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:59:18AM +1100, Chris Sherlock wrote:
>>> Oh, and I’m not sure if this brings much to the table, but I wonder
>>> if we can simulate joins. After all, to get a right join you just
>>> swap tables, and you can actually simulate a full outer join with
>>> just a combination of other joins.
>> See the last part of
>> "compatibility with other databases" was a reference to
>> In short: yes, it can be done.
>> All these issues add up, and in the end I summarise them as "It is
>> probably possible to build a 'compliant' database on top of SQLite,
>> but SQLite is not that by itself". That is, we can "use" SQLite as a
>> (big) chunk of our embedded database engine, which we would DEVELOP
>> OURSELVES, but it is not "take a database engine and embed it in
>> LibreOffice". It is "develop our own database engine, using SQLite as
>> a foundation that gets us many many percent of the way, but not the
>> full way". If someone wants to do that, and commits to maintaining it,
>> then fine. Glad to take patches / see it integrated. *If* it comes
>> with a serious intent of maintaining it! Note that the ODBC driver
>> basically does that. So yeah, doable. Can be redone. Maybe we could
>> even embed the ODBC driver in some way. I have some uncertainties
>> around this, because I think that ODBC drivers "need" a driver manager
>> (that's what the Microsoft documentations say somewhere), but I never
>> really understood completely why, and some FLOSS ODBC drivers *are*
>> meant (by their author) to be able to be used without driver manager,
>> I think.
>> See also
>> What SQLite does it not necessarily bad, it is *different*. Dynamic
>> typing has its uses and its advantages. Just as NoSQL. But it makes
>> them a "bad fit" for a framework centred around the "classic" / usual
>> strong-type SQL.
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