Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Mar-30

[Heiko Tietze]

+++++ MEETING TIME IS 13:00 CEST / 11am UTC DURING THE SUMMER AND BEGINNING FROM NEXT WEEK +++++

Present: Eric, Thibaut, Jay, Heiko, Kendy, Tomaz

 * New meeting time as DST begins?
   + Thursday 13:00 CEST / 11am UTC: voted +4/-1
   => New meeting time is 11am UTC
 
 * LibOCon 27.-29. Sep Rome
   + We will have a UX room 
   + do a design session to a specific topic?
   + mockup seesion (Jay)
     + Bibliography (first choice)
     + 3D dialog
     + Custom shapes
   + Share results from UE testting at Nantes (Eric)
     + also talk about redesign of features

 * LibO mascot
   + Introduce a unique identification beyond the logo that can be modified within constraints
     since our logo is fix and must not be changed (idea started at the BoD)
   + list of mascots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascot
   + Java: Duke https://kenai.com/projects/duke/pages/Home
     + Prototype for the idea (logo is the coffee icon, duke added later as the mascot)
   + SuSE: chameleon "geeko"
   + Mozilla: lizard, godzilla, tyrannosaurus (FF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Trademark_and_logo)
   + Linux: tux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
   + KDE: konqi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi
   + Krita: kiki https://krita.org/en/kiki/
   + GNU: GNU head https://www.gnu.org/graphics/agnuhead.en.html
   + mising a kitten under all the animals, like grumpy cat (Heiko)

   + Metaphors
     + worldwide product, make sure it works for all (Thibaut)
     + freedom, documents, open (Jay)
       + pideon / another bird?
       + or a more symbolic thing
     + superhero
     + crazy combination of superhero and animal (Thibaut)
     + something with edges to align with the logo (Heiko)
   + Process: internally ask for input on ML, later involve designers, e.g. OSD group
   + better we have some time to be creative (Thibaut)

 * Make LibreOffice design unique (Thibaut)
   + Ticket: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106756
   + Previously mentioned in as 'Application Theme' GSoC project
     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J_aogLuQThqhvT0R2em27Vpew-SLAQgpH5TbNTgXPZM/edit
     + would be the solution to swtich from themed to "default"
   + generic theme update makes much sense, but that needs dev work as it is hard-coded (kendy)
     (SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen ./soffice to enable
      or SAL_NO_NWF=1 to still use the detected vclplugin but no native theming)
   + only way to introduce a new generic design is to make it working in parallel first
   + themes might be text based on Gtk (Jay); Gtk3 uses CSS for theming (Tomaz)
   + someone with development skills needs to look into the topic
   + wish to have all themes via CSS, or the like (Heiko)

 * Color
   + New default color palette https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87538
     + survey done, analyzed and comment included into the final layout
       + https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/173uYSPE1TPaZdCL997YyQLllRt2xBIV4oD5M3Bjo7yU
       + finalization planned for the weekend
     + We have 1 grey scale, 1 basic colors, 3 light, and 4 dark now -> should we change to 
       8 rows by default (and have 1/1/3/3)? (Jay)
       + No idea why it's bad (Thibaut)
       + tonal.soc has 10 rows so better add one (1/1/4/4)?
       + having less colors is good was commented in the survey
       => go with 10 rows (https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/35902/)
   + Extension to export the custom palette done and blogged about
     + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/03/29/libreoffice-extension-export-custom-palette/


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