ESC meeting agenda: 2020-05-21 16:00 Berlin time

Eivind Samseth eisa01 at gmail.com
Wed May 20 21:04:31 UTC 2020


Hello,
one possible agenda item would be to add depreciation warning to old versions of macOS in 7.0?

We don’t necessarily have to drop support, but that gives more flexibility in the future as users have at least been warned

Per my email I would suggest to bump the minimum supported version to macOS 10.11 (no hardware would lose compatibility from the currently supported 10.10)

Then a depreciation warning should be put in for 10.12-13 as they will not receive security fixes past this fall (only 10.13 receive that currently)

Apparently Skia has a backend that would use Metal, which is only supported by hardware capable of running 10.14 (oldest version to receive security fixes from this fall)
Not sure if this is relevant for macOS yet, but maybe in the future (hence depreciation warning)

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2020-May/085069.html <https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2020-May/085069.html>

FYI: I tried the nextcloud link but get a message my "account is not provisioned"

> On 20 May 2020, at 17:00, Miklos Vajna <vmiklos at collabora.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Prototype agenda below, bug metrics attached. Extra items appreciated
> either in this document or as a reply to this mail:
> 
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/Common/esc-minutes
> 
> You can join jitsi here:
> 
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/esc
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Miklos
> 
> <<<<
> 
> * Present:
>   + None
> 
> * Completed Action Items:
>   + None
> 
> * Pending Action Items:
>   + Pranam, send the new-committer mail (Kendy)
>   + fix Jenkins_Callgrind at some stage (Cloph)
>     [ must be an env var mismatch, custom LD_LIBRARY_PATH causes problems ]
>   + install java 9 on tinderboxes / jenkins slaves (tinderbox owners)
> 
> * Release Engineering update (Cloph)
>   + 7.0 status: libreoffice-7-0 branch-off & feature freeze in ? weeks
>     + UI freeze & string freeze after that
>     + any late feature proposals? (Miklos)
>       + ODF 1.3 support will be in by the deadline, probably (Thorsten)
>   + 6.4 status: 6.4.4 rc2 is tagged, builds started
>   + 6.3 status: no more releases planned
>   + Remotes
>   + Android viewer
>     + Android tinderbox has problems, will probably fix it for next week
>   + Online
> 
> * Documentation (Olivier)
> 
> * UX Update (Heiko)
>   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
>       243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 262(262) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
>   + Updates:
>       BZ changes   1 week    1 month   3 months    12 months
>            added       6(-6)    28(-5)     82(-4)     170(-4)
>        commented     116(-6)   421(14)   1043(-21)   3434(8)
>          removed       1(0)      4(1)      37(-1)      46(1)
>         resolved      18(0)     57(4)     136(4)      343(12)
>   + top 10 contributors:
>         Heiko Tietze made 284 changes in 1 month, and 1987 changes in 1 year
>         Telesto made 145 changes in 1 month, and 204 changes in 1 year
>         Foote, V Stuart made 97 changes in 1 month, and 609 changes in 1 year
>         Ilmari Lauhakangas made 83 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
>         Kainz, Andreas made 53 changes in 1 month, and 435 changes in 1 year
>         Dieter Praas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 523 changes in 1 year
>         BogdanB made 34 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
>         Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 584 changes in 1 year
>         Pedro made 15 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
>         Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
> 
> * Crash Testing (Caolan)
>   + 11(+0) import failure, 6(+0) export failures
>   + ??? coverity issues
>   + Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
> 
> * Crash Reporting (Xisco)
>   + 6.4.1.2    38163(+2204)
>   + 6.4.2.2    56228(+4374)
>   + 6.4.3.2    30746(+9431)
>   + 7.0.0.0    111(+85)
> 
> * GSoC 2020 (Ilmari)
>   + Projects announced: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/05/05/9769/
>   + June 1, 2020 - July 3, 2020: Students work on their projects
>   + 6 projects accepted
>   + mentors: please reach out to your students to start community bonding (Thorsten)
>     + expect: students present themselves on the dev list during the next week
> 
> * Mentoring/easyhack update
>         committer...   1 week      1 month     3 months    12 months
>                 open      97(-16)     151(-17)    158(-16)     170(-16)
>              reviews     496(-162)   1738(128)   4322(-26)   22045(-196)
>               merged     386(-125)   1768(31)    4687(-12)   19102(41)
>            abandoned      18(-19)     103(-9)     287(-5)     1030(1)
>          own commits     287(-121)   1484(3)     3831(-69)   15686(-14)
>       review commits     106(-5)      432(50)    1135(19)     4650(12)
>       contributor...   1 week       1 month     3 months     12 months
>                 open       39(2)        69(7)        71(8)        73(8)
>              reviews     1234(-172)   4432(172)   11044(114)   39554(376)
>               merged       43(25)      105(31)      291(21)      841(25)
>            abandoned        9(3)        33(5)       133(1)       546(8)
>          own commits       53(20)      153(32)      425(31)     1082(34)
>       review commits        0(0)         0(0)         0(0)         0(0)
>   + easyHack statistics:
>      needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 2(2)   cleanup_comments 221(221)
>      total 268(268)   assigned 23(23)   open 227(227)
>   + top 10 contributors:
>         Johnny_M made 44 patches in 1 month, and 60 patches in 1 year
>         LibreOfficiant made 32 patches in 1 month, and 130 patches in 1 year
>         Weblate made 5 patches in 1 month, and 50 patches in 1 year
>         Ilmari Lauhakangas made 4 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
>         Marco A.G.Pinto made 4 patches in 1 month, and 19 patches in 1 year
>         Attila Bakos made 4 patches in 1 month, and 12 patches in 1 year
>         himajin100000 made 3 patches in 1 month, and 16 patches in 1 year
>         Szabolcs Tóth (NISZ) made 3 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
>         mesut çifci made 3 patches in 1 month, and 16 patches in 1 year
>         Nagy Tibor made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
>   + top 10 reviewers:
>         Timar, Andras made 204 review comments in 1 month, and 1369 in 1 year
>         Behrens, Thorsten made 170 review comments in 1 month, and 1276 in 1 year
>         Michael Stahl made 130 review comments in 1 month, and 1482 in 1 year
>         Nabet, Julien made 102 review comments in 1 month, and 2008 in 1 year
>         Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 102 review comments in 1 month, and 1066 in 1 year
>         Olivier Hallot made 94 review comments in 1 month, and 418 in 1 year
>         Meeks, Michael made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 880 in 1 year
>         Bergmann, Stephan made 68 review comments in 1 month, and 931 in 1 year
>         Vajna, Miklos made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 1296 in 1 year
>         Németh, László made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 535 in 1 year
>   + Patches automatically abandoned:
>       tdf#43157 Clean up DBG_ASSERT ( shubham goyal )
>           - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/87430
>       tdf#38885: Remove CreateTextFromNode methods ( ABHISHEK PACHORKAR )
>           - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/89756
>       tdf#38885: Remove CreateTextFromNode methods ( ABHISHEK PACHORKAR )
>           - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/89938
>       tdf#131218 Assure standard mode at shell before goto content ( Jim Raykowski )
>           - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/90487
>       loplugin:unnecessaryparen improve to find paren around member expression ( Noel Grandin )
>           - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/90701
>   + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
>         Eivind Samseth
>         Tõnnov, Mihkel
>         Vivien Geoffroy
> 
> * Commit Access
>   + None
> 
> * Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten)
>   + sleep 18 weeks
>   + seeking for a new person as a replacement for Bjoern, who is currently
>     inactive
> 
> * Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
> 
> * l10n (Sophie)
> + Wrong translations in Formula names, etc. will be removed next week
> 
> * Graphics architecture (Thorsten)
> * https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/ESC_graphics_architecture
> * skia / vulkan: to try it on master (Lubos)
>   + metabug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129062
>     + 5 (+0) open bugs, 56 total (+1)
> 
> * QA update (Xisco)
>   + Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
>         https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief
> 
>   + UNCONFIRMED: 708 (-33)
>       + enhancements: 79  (+4)
>       + needsUXEval: 10 (+3)
>       + haveBackTrace: 0 (+0)
>       + needsDevAdvice: 12 (-1)
>       + documentation:  12 (-6)
>       + android:  4 (-1)
>       + iOS:  0 (+0)
>       + Online:  14 (-1)
> 
> 
> 
>   + Most pressing bugs:
>    New:
>    Old:
>    Fixed:
> 
> 
>   + New high severity bugs of the week:
>       + :calculation error (see comment 12)
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100475
>           + not a regression
> 
>       + Crash in: SfxShell::SetDisableFlags(SfxDisableFlags)
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113273
>           + regression, not yet bisected
> 
>       + LibreCalc6.2: Opening a Calc with some formulas: It writes "adapt Row Height" which is taking ages to load!
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124098
>           + Vasily?
> 
>       + From version 6.1.x, some JPG images in Writer not printed
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129085
>           + Armin?
> 
>       + Wrong calculation after copy/paste of a formula
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132451
>           + Dennis will take a look
> 
>       + CRASH: With Ctrl+Down and 'Enable very large spreadsheets' active
>           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133033
>           + not a regression
> 
> * QA stats
>   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
>     +194  +47 (-198) overall)
>     many thanks to the top bug squashers:
>      Heiko Tietze            19
>      QA Administrators       14
>      Timur                   14
>      Buovjaga                13
>      Caolán McNamara         13
>      Julien Nabet            12
>      NISZ LibreOffice Team   10
>      Xisco Faulí             8
>      Aron Budea              7
>      BogdanB                 6
> 
>   + top 10 bugs reporters:
>      Telesto                 33
>      NISZ LibreOffice Team   12
>      Xisco Faulí             7
>      Heiko Tietze            5
>      Michel Le Bihan         4
>      Steve Fanning           3
>      Alex Thurgood           2
>      Mihkel Tõnnov           2
>      Roman Kuznetsov         2
>      Timur                   2
> 
>   + top 10 bugs fixers:
>      McNamara, Caolán        12
>      NISZ LibreOffice Team   6
>      Heiko Tietze            5
>      Nabet, Julien           4
>                              2
>      Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2
>      Attila Bakos            2
>      Budea, Áron             2
>      Ilmari Lauhakangas      2
>      Kainz, Andreas          2
> 
>   + top 10 bugs confirmers:
>      Xisco Faulí             34
>      Dieter Praas            22
>      BogdanB                 20
>      Ilmari Lauhakangas      20
>      Heiko Tietze            13
>      *UNKNOWN*               8
>      Telesto                 8
>      Ming Hua                6
>      Alex Thurgood           5
>      Foote, V Stuart         5
> 
> 
> * Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
>  + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
>    6.0 : 1/52 -     1 %  (+0)
>    5.4 : 1/41 -     2 %  (-2)
>    5.3 : 0/54 -     0 %  (+0)
>    5.2 : 0/43 -     0 %  (+0)
>    5.1 : 1/36 -     2 %  (+0)
>    5.0 : 0/64 -     0 %  (+0)
>    4.4 : 0/76 -     0 %  (+0)
>    4.3 : 2/73 -     2 %  (+0)
>    4.2 : 1/133 -    0 %  (+0)
>    4.1 : 3/85 -     3 %  (+0)
>    4.0 : 3/82 -     3 %  (+0)
>    old : 6/245 -    2 %  (+0)
> 
> 
> * Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
>  + more accurate - down to a single commit.
>  + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
>  + 737/4241 737/4219 728/4195 708/4160 704/4138 699/4119 713/4113
> 
>    done by:
>       Xisco Faulí            10
>       barakso.attila          4
>       Timur                   3
>       Ilmari Lauhakangas      2
>       NISZ LibreOffice Team   1
>       Telesto                 1
> 
> 
> * Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
>  + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
>  + 917/5096 915/5071 905/5045 883/5006 877/4982 870/4962 885/4957
> 
>    done by:
>       Xisco Faulí            11
>       barakso.attila          4
>       Timur                   3
>       BogdanB                 2
>       Ilmari Lauhakangas      2
>       NISZ LibreOffice Team   1
>       Telesto                 1
> 
> 
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
>  + 1180(+4) bugs open of 9660(+31) total 7(+2) high prio.
> 
>    done by:
>       Telesto               12
>       Xisco Faulí            5
>       Ilmari Lauhakangas     3
>       Alex Thurgood          2
>       Roman Kuznetsov        1
>       BogdanB                1
>       Cor Nouws              1
>       Dieter Praas           1
>       Timur                  1
>       Heiko Tietze           1
> 
> 
> * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
>  + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
>    Calc          - 3(+1)
>    Writer        - 2(+1)
>    Impress       - 1(+0)
>    LibreOffice   - 1(+0)
> 
>  by OS:
>    All           - 4(+2)
>    Linux         - 1(+0)
>    Mac OS X      - 0(-1)
>    Windows       - 2(+1)
> 
> 
> * ~Component   count net * all regressions
>  + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
>    Writer: other            - 338(+0)
>    Calc                     - 226(+3)
>    Impress                  - 135(+1)
>    LibreOffice              - 67(+1)
>    Writer: docx filter      - 54(-2)
>    Crashes                  - 48(+0)
>    Draw                     - 46(+0)
>    Borders                  - 42(+1)
>    UI                       - 41(+0)
>    Writer: perf             - 36(+0)
>    Base                     - 31(-1)
>    graphics stack           - 28(+0)
>    Writer: other filter     - 27(+0)
>    Writer: doc filter       - 25(+0)
>    Chart                    - 24(+1)
>    Printing and PDF export  - 24(+0)
>    RTL                      - 22(+0)
>    filters and storage      - 22(+0)
>    BASIC                    - 16(+0)
>    framework                - 2(+0)
>    Formula Editor           - 1(+1)
>    Installation             - 1(+0)
>    sdk                      - 1(+0)
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