ESC meeting minutes: 2020-10-01
Miklos Vajna
vmiklos at collabora.com
Fri Oct 2 07:22:05 UTC 2020
* Present:
+ Stephan B, Cloph, Eike, Caolan, Gabriel, Florian, Michael W, Heiko, Ilmari, Thorsten, Olivier, Guilhem, Sophie, Mike K, Michael M, Michael S, Miklos, Xisco, Jan-Marek, Stephan F, Paolo, Daniel
* Completed Action Items:
+ set up 1 Android CI builder and see the build turn-around time (Cloph)
+ jenkins builder is up, and rotates between the 4 architectures
+ 90 mins is the full build, 10 mins is the cached build
+ still gathering data
* Pending Action Items:
+ None
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.0 status
+ 7.0.2 rc2 was tagged yesterday, builds are in progress
+ 6.4 status
+ 6.4.7 rc2 will be tagged next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
* Online move (Michael M)
+ hopes that this is the least bad move for TDF
+ will have questions section at the end, is that OK?
* FYI: LO now runs native on Windows ARM64 (Jan-Marek)
+ cross-builds on Windows x64, starts in QEMU (very slow)
+ can TDF provide a TB, so it won’t break again?
+ offer experimental installer for 7.1?
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137143
+ a side-project, but working nicely
+ AWS has ARM64 workers (Michael M)
+ if testing the cross-compilation, that can be tested on normal build infra (Cloph)
+ just need to install the arm64 tools in VS, and it should just work (JMux)
+ could even produce an installer
+ should we have a designed windows builder where the SDK is installed? (Thorsten)
+ if it’s a std part of VS, would just install it everywhere (Cloph)
+ a distro-config would be ideal (Thorsten)
+ highly preferred :-) (Cloph)
+ have a local commit with full configuration to please java cross-compile (JMux)
+ other than java, no special switches
+ .NET and gpg is still disabled
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Minor fixes in CSS (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ Updates, fixes, typos, maintenance (S. Chaiklin, S. Horacek, LibreOfficiant, ohallot, Jhonny_M, Travis)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2020
+ Progress in Calc wiki pages
+ Progress in Calc e-learning
+ Guides
+ Work on going.
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 263(263) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 11(-2) 33(-3) 66(0) 173(-5)
commented 109(-30) 404(3) 1049(5) 3789(-11)
removed 2(-1) 8(2) 12(0) 58(0)
resolved 17(-5) 58(9) 115(7) 413(9)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 316 changes in 1 month, and 2198 changes in 1 year
Telesto made 108 changes in 1 month, and 553 changes in 1 year
BogdanB made 88 changes in 1 month, and 177 changes in 1 year
Foote, V Stuart made 77 changes in 1 month, and 627 changes in 1 year
Kainz, Andreas made 59 changes in 1 month, and 481 changes in 1 year
Dieter Praas made 50 changes in 1 month, and 502 changes in 1 year
Roman Kuznetsov made 42 changes in 1 month, and 268 changes in 1 year
Thomas Lendo made 31 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 24 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
Timur made 23 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
* New tickets with needsUXEval Sep/25-Oct/01
+ 26 new tickets
+ meeting about the sidebar (one initial width for all decks,
ability to reduce a deck width up to the content,
remove the minimized state)
* Crash testing (Caolan)
+ 275(+271) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/103768
+ 0 coverity issues
+ 10 ossfuzz issues
+ lots of cmap fixes
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.5.2
+ (+26) 1630 1604 1618 1744 1814 2208 2552 2315 1761 1162 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.6.2
+ (+110) 1674 1564 1306 1053 874 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.0.0.3
+ (+29) 3981 3952 4171 5084 6489 3840 788 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.0.1.2
+ (+1132) 5694 4561 3223 1986 0
- https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/sw::util::GetPoolItems(SfxItemSet%20const%20&,std::map%3Cunsigned%20short,SfxPoolItem%20const%20*,sw::util::ItemSort,std::allocator%3Cstd::pair%3Cunsigned%20short%20const%20,SfxPoolItem%20const%20*%3E%20%3E%20%3E%20&,bool)
+ not looking that bad, but quite some reports
* Mentoring/easyhack update
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 95(16) 140(17) 141(15) 150(15)
reviews 586(158) 1912(30) 4618(142) 19650(70)
merged 389(-13) 1771(49) 5141(-144) 19962(-80)
abandoned 20(-1) 84(10) 224(-4) 1040(-1)
own commits 305(10) 1329(27) 3820(-58) 16303(-43)
review commits 109(21) 447(13) 1184(48) 4851(55)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 31(7) 67(2) 68(1) 70(1)
reviews 1080(-22) 4436(-16) 12729(-490) 45536(-63)
merged 24(9) 147(-3) 381(-14) 1564(6)
abandoned 3(-3) 25(-15) 109(-10) 555(0)
own commits 29(10) 160(7) 497(3) 1641(15)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 9(9) needsUXEval 2(2) cleanup_comments 249(249)
total 297(297) assigned 16(16) open 260(260)
+ top 10 contributors:
George Bateman made 23 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
Dániel Arató made 19 patches in 1 month, and 21 patches in 1 year
Aditya Sahu made 17 patches in 1 month, and 34 patches in 1 year
Johnny_M made 10 patches in 1 month, and 302 patches in 1 year
Alain Romedenne made 9 patches in 1 month, and 147 patches in 1 year
Weblate made 7 patches in 1 month, and 71 patches in 1 year
Regényi Balázs made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
Nagy Tibor made 5 patches in 1 month, and 19 patches in 1 year
Attila Bakos made 5 patches in 1 month, and 32 patches in 1 year
Dr. David Alan Gilbert made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Nabet, Julien made 284 review comments in 1 month, and 1450 in 1 year
Timar, Andras made 196 review comments in 1 month, and 1499 in 1 year
McNamara, Caolán made 136 review comments in 1 month, and 802 in 1 year
Behrens, Thorsten made 128 review comments in 1 month, and 1374 in 1 year
Németh, László made 114 review comments in 1 month, and 652 in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 1296 in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 818 in 1 year
Vajngerl, Tomaž made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 324 in 1 year
Grandin, Noel made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 972 in 1 year
Vajna, Miklos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 924 in 1 year
+ Patches automatically abandoned:
tdf#103414 Add/Del S or MI with Add/Del decimals ( Laurent Balland-Poirier )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/96980
tdf#131850 - Start center performance issues ( Heiko Tietze )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/98520
tdf#128795 Chart OOXML: fix import of Rectangular gradient fill ( Tünde Tóth )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/98944
More “e-mail” → “email” ( Adolfo Jayme Barrientos )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/99465
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
Felix Wiegand (Mankido)
* Commit Access
+ None
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ sleep 1 weeks
+ seeking for a new person as a replacement for Bjoern, who is currently
inactive
* Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
from:Thu Sep 24 13:13:48 2020
master linux rel jobs: 50 ok: 50 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master linux dbg jobs: 44 ok: 42 ko: 2 fail ratio: 4.55 % break: 2 broken duration:10.56%
master mac rel jobs: 93 ok: 93 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master mac dbg jobs: 93 ok: 93 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master win rel jobs: 64 ok: 62 ko: 2 fail ratio: 3.12 % break: 1 broken duration: 9.93%
master win dbg jobs: 71 ok: 68 ko: 3 fail ratio: 4.23 % break: 2 broken duration: 4.69%
master win64 dbg jobs: 66 ok: 62 ko: 4 fail ratio: 6.06 % break: 3 broken duration:10.25%
master gerrit lin jobs: 584 ok: 500 ko: 53 fail ratio: 9.08% time for ok: mean: 24 median: 24
master gerrit plg jobs: 512 ok: 366 ko: 113 fail ratio: 22.07% time for ok: mean: 35 median: 31
master gerrit win jobs: 653 ok: 396 ko: 144 fail ratio: 22.05% time for ok: mean: 59 median: 56
master gerrit mac jobs: 589 ok: 477 ko: 82 fail ratio: 13.92% time for ok: mean: 30 median: 23
master gerrit all jobs: 561 ok: 270 ko: 172 fail ratio: 30.66% time for ok: mean: 99 median: 87
+ https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_201001.html
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
3 Killed by the kill-wrapper gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
3 CppunitTest_chart2_xshape gerrit_windows
3 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork gerrit_linux_gcc_release
3 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork gerrit_mac
3 CppunitTest_sd_misc_tests gerrit_windows
3 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge gerrit_windows
3 CppunitTest_sw_odfexport gerrit_windows
3 CppunitTest_vcl_complextext gerrit_windows
3 JunitTest_ridl_remote gerrit_linux_gcc_release
3 UITest_writer_tests3 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
4 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
4 CppunitTest_sc_subsequent_export_test gerrit_windows
6 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport8 gerrit_windows
+ nothing unusual, same as on other weeks
+ fixed 2 other timeout problems (clipboard, Windows update check), that should help (Stephan)
+ still seeing a problem locally, but the fix for that would actually hang during Jenkins...
* l10n (Sophie)
+ working is ongoing
* Graphics architecture (Thorsten)
* https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/ESC_graphics_architecture
* skia / vulkan metabug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129062
+ 17 (+0) open bugs, 124 total (+4)
* LibreOffice Conference will be Online (Sophie)
+ some people wondered if it is possible to pre-record the talk?
- possible, but not a requirement
* Proposal to TDF board to have regression prevention as a future key goal (Ilmari)
+ Volunteer contributors are not in a position to know how paid development relates to regressions of arbitrary age – unrealistic expectations sometimes
+ Increasing automation etc. is something concrete we can do to reduce the friction between volunteers in the various teams and paid devs
+ Budget items would be optional, can also focus existing resources
+ Good to send a positive message to volunteers through action and acknowledgement
+ Maybe make it an initiation ritual that newcomer devs tackle a cppunit test immediately after their first trivial easy hack
+ Invest in figuring out how to integrate the automated triaging system Bugbug into our Bugzilla after we upgrade to 6 https://github.com/mozilla/bugbug
+ brought this proposal to the board, they said come to the ESC
+ they way the key goals work is that the TDF staff focuses on these areas
+ may also have some budget associated
+ sounds really encouraging (Michael M)
+ the last output from ESC’s budget ranking contained no testing topics, other than a11y testing
+ Xisco may have ideas where to focus
+ Some areas are hard to test (Michael M)
+ could also cover things like automated triaging (Ilmari)
+ is it looking for duplicates? (Michael M)
+ also adds metadata (Ilmari)
+ anything that helps to get staff to work on this area is great (Thorsten)
+ also educate: just because XY worked on an area, can’t expect to fix any related problems/regressions forever (Miklos)
+ not easy to solve this
+ fail to see the benefit of putting this as a key goal, though (Xisco)
+ acts as a license for us to focus on this when doing mentoring (Ilmari)
+ could have a PDF validator (Xisco, Thorsten)
+ question: “Should the board made regression prevention a key goal?”
=> yes, that makes sense (All)
* QA update (Xisco)
+ Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1269 (+33)
+ enhancements: 128 (+1)
+ needsUXEval: 13 (-2)
+ haveBackTrace: 1 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 15 (+0)
+ documentation: 14 (+2)
+ android: 5 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 24 (+3)
+ Most pressing bugs:
old:
+ PDF export: LibreOffice 6.3 option buttons in forms not working in Adobe Reader (OK in other readers)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127217
+ Thorsten ?
+ CRASH: Chart: Changing properties in different objects
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133630
+ Muhammet ?
+ macOS: Can't Save As after installing language pack on Catalina
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132025
+ more info here: “Subject: Budget 2020 proposals and macOS
Catalina
support / onboarding” on the dev list (Heiko)
+ Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
imported
PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597
+ Thorsten looking at it
+ old problem, but many duplicates
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ Clicking on the table border will select the full table content instead of only selecting the border (used for cut/paste)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117485
+ Gokul?
+ Crash deleting a table
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136728
+ fallout from previous perf work
+ FILEOPEN: PPTX: Text is center aligned instead of left
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137023
+ assigned to Miklos already
* Online move questions (Michael M)
+ can help with answering questions?
+ suspect: good place to ask questions directly, but the broader discussion will be on board-discuss@ (Thorsten)
+ extremely mixed emotions: sad to see this happening, but it was effectively like this already for years
+ just making this more visible
+ hope: this a start for a good discussion
+ Online uses LOKit, Collabora will maintain that? (Caolan)
+ yes, that would be my expectation (Michael M)
+ is there still discussion ongoing? (Michael W)
+ everything is possible, we write software, meetings soon with the Board & MC to discuss (Michael M)
+ I already tried to listen to everybody, and minimize the unhappiness
+ need to get inter-corporate conflict out of the project; seen it in the past inside LibreOffice
+ much of our engineering structure: time based released, hard feature freezes etc. are due to this.
+ how does LOOL continues? (Heiko)
+ C'bra people will abstain from decisions on LOOL of course (Michael M)
+ up to the TDF staff / board
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+181 -8 (-168) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
QA Administrators 14
Caolán McNamara 12
Heiko Tietze 9
Telesto 8
Timur 8
Olivier Hallot 7
Thomas Lendo 7
Buovjaga 6
Eike Rathke 6
V Stuart Foote 6
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
Telesto 31
Regina Henschel 7
Timur 6
NISZ LibreOffice Team 5
andreas_k 4
Sascha Z 3
Simon V 3
sawakaze 3
sdc.blanco 3
IdidITmyWay 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
McNamara, Caolán 11
Olivier Hallot 5
Heiko Tietze 4
NISZ LibreOffice Team 4
Rathke, Eike 4
Luboš Luňák 3
Thomas Arnhold 3
Thomas Lendo 3
Xisco Fauli 3
regenyi.balazs+libreoffice_bugzilla at gmail.com 3
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Heiko Tietze 15
Roman Kuznetsov 11
Timur 9
*UNKNOWN* 8
Ilmari Lauhakangas 8
Nabet, Julien 8
Budea, Áron 6
Dieter Praas 6
Thomas Lendo 6
Henschel, Regina 4
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
+ http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
6.0 : 1/52 - 1 % (+0)
5.4 : 0/41 - 0 % (+0)
5.3 : 0/54 - 0 % (+0)
5.2 : 0/43 - 0 % (+0)
5.1 : 1/36 - 2 % (+0)
5.0 : 0/64 - 0 % (+0)
4.4 : 0/76 - 0 % (+0)
4.3 : 2/73 - 2 % (+0)
4.2 : 1/133 - 0 % (+0)
4.1 : 3/85 - 3 % (+0)
4.0 : 4/83 - 4 % (+0)
old : 6/247 - 2 % (+0)
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+ 881/4768 874/4746 880/4729 862/4687 848/4656 842/4631 841/4613
done by:
Roman Kuznetsov 5
barakso.attila 4
Timur 4
NISZ LibreOffice Team 2
Raal 2
Ilmari Lauhakangas 1
Kelemen, Gabor 1
Terrence Enger 1
Telesto 1
Xisco Fauli 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+ 1057/5654 1049/5632 1055/5615 1046/5583 1034/5552 1025/5522 1024/5501
done by:
Roman Kuznetsov 5
barakso.attila 4
Timur 4
NISZ LibreOffice Team 2
Raal 2
BogdanB 1
Kelemen, Gabor 1
Terrence Enger 1
Telesto 1
Xisco Fauli 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1328(-5) bugs open of 10308(+15) total 15(+0) high prio.
done by:
NISZ LibreOffice Team 4
Roman Kuznetsov 3
Telesto 3
Timur 2
BogdanB 1
Dieter Praas 1
Rathke, Eike 1
Thomas Lendo 1
Xisco Fauli 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 7(+0)
Calc - 3(+0)
Impress - 3(+0)
Chart - 1(+0)
LibreOffice - 1(+0)
by OS:
All - 12(+0)
Linux - 1(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 2(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 420(+4)
Calc - 228(-1)
Impress - 149(-1)
Crashes - 57(-1)
LibreOffice - 57(-1)
Writer: docx filter - 54(+0)
Draw - 48(-1)
Borders - 43(+0)
UI - 41(+0)
Writer: perf - 41(+0)
Base - 35(+0)
Writer: other filter - 30(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 28(+1)
Chart - 24(+1)
RTL - 23(+0)
graphics stack - 23(+0)
Printing and PDF export - 22(+0)
filters and storage - 20(+0)
BASIC - 14(+0)
framework - 2(+0)
Formula Editor - 1(+0)
Installation - 1(+0)
sdk - 1(+0)
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