ESC meeting minutes: 2021-11-11

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Nov 11 15:35:40 UTC 2021


* Present:
     + Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Hossein, Michael W, Olivier, Stephan, Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Gabriel
* Completed Action Items:
     + ask Guilhem to be on the mentoring@ alias (Hossein)
     + give a heads-up on the dev list about the budget deadline (Thorsten)
* Pending Action Items:
     + None

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
     + 7.2 status: 7.2.3 rc2 to be tagged next week
     + 7.3 status: beta1 in 2 weeks
       + late feature: curl based webdav possibly (Thorsten)
         + disabled on master by default currently
     + Remotes: Android (has new translations, though), iOS
     + Android viewer

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + New Help
         + Improvements in usability (buovjaga)
     + Helpcontents2
         + Refactoring (Johnny_M)
         + Updated and fixes (S. Fanning,R. Lima, A. Romedenne, ohallot)
     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         249(249) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
            created      8(0)    36(-6)    117(1)      340(-9)
          commented     33(27)   82(4)     445(25)    1692(-36)
           resolved      7(5)    17(3)      56(7)      210(1)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Olivier Hallot made 32 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 14 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 12 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
           Robert Großkopf made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
           Ross Johnson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 7 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
           David Mark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year
           Seth Chaiklin made 4 changes in 1 month, and 462 changes in 1 year
           Radish made 3 changes in 1 month, and 3 changes in 1 year
           flywire made 3 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 166(166) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month    3 months   12 months
              added      5(-6)    19(-6)     36(-4)      98(-3)
          commented     63(12)   187(-10)   614(-24)   3158(16)
            removed      0(0)      2(0)       6(0)       36(0)
           resolved      6(5)     21(1)      73(-10)    452(-2)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 103 changes in 1 month, and 2137 changes in 1 year
           Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 591 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 32 changes in 1 month, and 312 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 22 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
           Roman Kuznetsov made 18 changes in 1 month, and 236 changes in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 15 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
           Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 588 changes in 1 year
           steve -_- made 11 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
           Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
           Dave McKellar made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year

     + 27 new tickets with needsUXEval since Oct/22

     + Writer/Web: View > HTML Source mode toggles are awkward
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101179
     + Improve to exit LO, if some other document has a popup opened
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144905
       + modal dialog blocks exit, is that wanted? (Heiko)
         + sounds a bit dangerous to touch
     + Word completion: Add ability to save word completion
       (aka "auto complete") lists and re-use them
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86872
     + Please make the visual indicators of breaks more practical
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145351
       + improve the appearance of the break indicators
     + Copy/paste doesn't include the page style (landscape mode)
       for the first page
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144948

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 5(-2) import failure, 3(-1) export failures
       - one of the long term asserts is fixed/gone
       - two remaining assert signatures
       - one easily reproducible as:
         https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/121924
     + 0 coverity issues
     + 5 ossfuzz issues, all timeouts

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.1.6.2
          + (-217) 1028 1245 1145 1016 930 906 650 210 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.1.7.2
          + (+186) 186 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.1.2
          + (+17) 1389 1372 1827 2068 2209 2042 1450 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.2.2
          + (+533) 2069 1536 1134 752 0


     + SkRect::round() fixed in 7.1.7.2

     - Thanks to Lubos


* Mentoring/EasyHack update (Hossein)
           committer...   1 week      1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      67(15)       94(2)      142(-1)      192(4)
                reviews     376(160)    1108(-24)   3380(-88)    8734(246)
                 merged     285(-121)   1362(13)    3722(9)     10528(280)
              abandoned      12(2)        44(-1)     139(-24)     518(11)
            own commits     236(-128)   1128(14)    3132(36)    12767(14)
         review commits     110(26)      353(41)     999(65)     4291(15)
         contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      51(1)       67(-20)    130(-22)     172(-21)
                reviews     812(-64)   2986(8)     8412(-76)   23418(590)
                 merged      46(33)     132(16)     457(33)     1149(46)
              abandoned       1(-6)      12(-7)     103(-31)     337(0)
            own commits      77(63)     144(61)     398(64)     1929(30)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)
        total 328(328)   assigned 25(25)   open 275(275)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Johnny_M made 80 patches in 1 month, and 757 patches in 1 year
           Steve Fanning made 8 patches in 1 month, and 68 patches in 1 year
           Kevin Suo made 8 patches in 1 month, and 30 patches in 1 year
           Srebotnjak, Martin made 6 patches in 1 month, and 15 patches in 1 year
           Akshit Kushwaha made 6 patches in 1 month, and 29 patches in 1 year
           Nagy Tibor made 4 patches in 1 month, and 39 patches in 1 year
           Tomoyuki Kubota made 4 patches in 1 month, and 8 patches in 1 year
           Ross Johnson made 4 patches in 1 month, and 24 patches in 1 year
           Attila Szűcs made 3 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
           Henrik Palomäki made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Olivier Hallot made 118 review comments in 1 month, and 854 in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 90 review comments in 1 month, and 616 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 746 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 620 in 1 year
           Vajngerl, Tomaž made 70 review comments in 1 month, and 436 in 1 year
           Grandin, Noel made 62 review comments in 1 month, and 516 in 1 year
           McNamara, Caolán made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 364 in 1 year
           Thorsten Behrens made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 382 in 1 year
           Németh, László made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 394 in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 304 in 1 year
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           Felipe Lema (mortemale.org)
           Rishav Chattopadhya
     + Normal week
        + 46 merged commits from the contributors (10 translations from Johnny_M)
     + have some easy hacks to be reviewed
       tdf#145630 - Use atan2 function instead of atan
       https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145614

       tdf#145614 - Convert #define to enum or constexpr
       https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145630


* Commit Access
   + None

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
   + resting since: 18 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
   + Missing Cloph

* l10n (Sophie)
    + no updates

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
   + Working on a minimal set of out of order undo operations (Miklos)
     + e.g. typing in parallel in two independent paragraphs

* Budget 2022 (Xisco)
     + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022
     + ideas are welcome till the end of the year
     + earlier deadline? (Thorsten)
       + take list if ideas with estimates by end Nov
       + and have 2 weeks for the vote
     + how to find reviewers for good ideas? (Miklos)
       + it's just copied from the wiki page (Thorsten)
     + how to get estimations for your ideas? (Heiko)
       + you would need 10 people to estimate all the ideas (Thorsten)
       + there is no single person who can estimate all the ideas
       + also not sure we have the time this year to kick that off
     + wanted to ask something similar (Kendy)
       + a real estimation is 10 hours easily, so it's quite expensive
     + see this as a failure pattern: mar installer (Heiko)
       + wanted: small updates
       + quite some heavy-lifting was done
       + end-user didn't benefit much
     + agree there is a problem (Thorsten)
       + hiring somebody may not be a good fix, if that person is needed only once a year
       + public sector has similar problems, sometimes nobody bids for a tender
         + the way out there: be more agile, to allow iterations
         + fundamental issue: waterfall approach
     + want to steer development (Heiko)
       + decide what ideas are good and not
       + perhaps you want some kind of project manager (Kendy)
       + looking for a "Kendy" for 1 day to estimate things :-)
         + this is quite hard, as Thorsten said
         + more agile approach would be rather helpful
         + fix cost is very hard to fix after the fact, once the details are set in stone
     + good to discuss it outside the ESC call (Kendy, Thorsten)
       + preferably board-discuss@

* QA update (Xisco)

     + UNCONFIRMED: 1582 (+17)
         + enhancements: 256  (+1)
         + needsUXEval: 10 (-4)
         + haveBackTrace: 3 (+0)
         + needsDevAdvice: 27 (+0)
         + documentation:  10 (+0)
         + android:  1 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  16 (+0)

     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:
         + Writer crashes on exporting as PDF with its Range in PDF Options set to 'Selection'
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145584 (backported to 7.2.3)
             + Michael S?
             + Julien Nabet's fix: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/125014

                 + needs review

      Old:

         + Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
           imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597

             + Needs someone to volunteer to fix.
             + already listed here for 2 years, and many duplicates

     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         + LibreOffice 7.2 introduced addition popup for read only file that shouldn't be showing
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143971
             + Matt K?


          + character format dialog doesn't show the current character size any more

             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145158
             + Fixed. thanks to Mike Kaganski

* QA stats
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +91  +92 (-137) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators       22
        Buovjaga                9
        Olivier Hallot          9
        Xisco Faulí             9
        Caolán McNamara         8
        Kevin Suo               8
        Heiko Tietze            5
        phv                     4
        Attila Szűcs            3
        László Németh           3

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        MarjaE                  5
        long                    3
        Gerald Pfeifer          2
        Hossein                 2
        James Harkins           2
        Ming Hua                2
        Telesto                 2
        Andy                    1
        Dan Essin               1
        David                   1

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        Olivier Hallot          8
        McNamara, Caolán        7
        Kevin Suo               3
        Németh, László          3
        Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2
        Attila Szűcs            2
        Nagy Tibor              2
        Xisco Fauli             2
                                1
        Andreas Heinisch        1

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Dieter                  9
        Xisco Fauli             5
        Ezinne Nnamani          4
        Alex Thurgood           2
        Heiko Tietze            2
        Hossein                 2
        McNamara, Caolán        2
        Németh, László          2
        Timur                   2
        michael.warner.ut+libreoffice at gmail.com 2

* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
    + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
      6.0 : 1/53 -     1 %  (+0)
      5.4 : 0/41 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.3 : 0/54 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.2 : 0/43 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.1 : 1/36 -     2 %  (+0)
      5.0 : 0/64 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.4 : 0/76 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.3 : 0/73 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.2 : 2/134 -    1 %  (+0)
      4.1 : 3/85 -     3 %  (+0)
      4.0 : 2/83 -     2 %  (+0)
      old : 3/248 -    1 %  (+0)

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            6
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     1

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            6
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     1
         Kevin Suo              1

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1337(-12) bugs open of 11342(+7) total 16(+1) high prio.

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            4
         Andreas Heinisch       1
         Timur                  1
         Robert Großkopf        1
         Kevin Suo              1

* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 11(+1)
      Calc          - 3(+0)
      Draw          - 1(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 1(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 15(+1)
      Linux         - 0(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 1(+0)

* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 448(-7)
      Calc                     - 235(-3)
      Impress                  - 142(+0)
      Writer: docx filter      - 55(-1)
      Crashes                  - 53(-1)
      LibreOffice              - 51(-1)
      UI                       - 51(-1)
      Draw                     - 50(+0)
      Borders                  - 45(+0)
      Writer: perf             - 41(+0)
      Base                     - 37(+1)
      Writer: other filter     - 35(+0)
      Chart                    - 29(+0)
      RTL                      - 27(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 24(+0)
      graphics stack           - 24(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 22(-1)
      filters and storage      - 19(+0)
      BASIC                    - 17(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 2(+0)
      framework                - 1(+0)
      sdk                      - 1(+0)


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