ESC meeting minutes: 2021-11-11
Miklos Vajna
vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Nov 11 15:35:40 UTC 2021
* Present:
+ Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Hossein, Michael W, Olivier, Stephan, Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Gabriel
* Completed Action Items:
+ ask Guilhem to be on the mentoring@ alias (Hossein)
+ give a heads-up on the dev list about the budget deadline (Thorsten)
* Pending Action Items:
+ None
* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 7.2 status: 7.2.3 rc2 to be tagged next week
+ 7.3 status: beta1 in 2 weeks
+ late feature: curl based webdav possibly (Thorsten)
+ disabled on master by default currently
+ Remotes: Android (has new translations, though), iOS
+ Android viewer
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Improvements in usability (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ Refactoring (Johnny_M)
+ Updated and fixes (S. Fanning,R. Lima, A. Romedenne, ohallot)
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
249(249) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
created 8(0) 36(-6) 117(1) 340(-9)
commented 33(27) 82(4) 445(25) 1692(-36)
resolved 7(5) 17(3) 56(7) 210(1)
+ top 10 contributors:
Olivier Hallot made 32 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 14 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
Rafael Lima made 12 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
Robert Großkopf made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
Ross Johnson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 7 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
David Mark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year
Seth Chaiklin made 4 changes in 1 month, and 462 changes in 1 year
Radish made 3 changes in 1 month, and 3 changes in 1 year
flywire made 3 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 166(166) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 5(-6) 19(-6) 36(-4) 98(-3)
commented 63(12) 187(-10) 614(-24) 3158(16)
removed 0(0) 2(0) 6(0) 36(0)
resolved 6(5) 21(1) 73(-10) 452(-2)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 103 changes in 1 month, and 2137 changes in 1 year
Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 591 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 32 changes in 1 month, and 312 changes in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 22 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
Roman Kuznetsov made 18 changes in 1 month, and 236 changes in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 15 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 588 changes in 1 year
steve -_- made 11 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
Dave McKellar made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
+ 27 new tickets with needsUXEval since Oct/22
+ Writer/Web: View > HTML Source mode toggles are awkward
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101179
+ Improve to exit LO, if some other document has a popup opened
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144905
+ modal dialog blocks exit, is that wanted? (Heiko)
+ sounds a bit dangerous to touch
+ Word completion: Add ability to save word completion
(aka "auto complete") lists and re-use them
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86872
+ Please make the visual indicators of breaks more practical
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145351
+ improve the appearance of the break indicators
+ Copy/paste doesn't include the page style (landscape mode)
for the first page
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144948
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5(-2) import failure, 3(-1) export failures
- one of the long term asserts is fixed/gone
- two remaining assert signatures
- one easily reproducible as:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/121924
+ 0 coverity issues
+ 5 ossfuzz issues, all timeouts
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.1.6.2
+ (-217) 1028 1245 1145 1016 930 906 650 210 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.1.7.2
+ (+186) 186 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.1.2
+ (+17) 1389 1372 1827 2068 2209 2042 1450 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.2.2
+ (+533) 2069 1536 1134 752 0
+ SkRect::round() fixed in 7.1.7.2
- Thanks to Lubos
* Mentoring/EasyHack update (Hossein)
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 67(15) 94(2) 142(-1) 192(4)
reviews 376(160) 1108(-24) 3380(-88) 8734(246)
merged 285(-121) 1362(13) 3722(9) 10528(280)
abandoned 12(2) 44(-1) 139(-24) 518(11)
own commits 236(-128) 1128(14) 3132(36) 12767(14)
review commits 110(26) 353(41) 999(65) 4291(15)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 51(1) 67(-20) 130(-22) 172(-21)
reviews 812(-64) 2986(8) 8412(-76) 23418(590)
merged 46(33) 132(16) 457(33) 1149(46)
abandoned 1(-6) 12(-7) 103(-31) 337(0)
own commits 77(63) 144(61) 398(64) 1929(30)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 8(8) needsUXEval 1(1)
total 328(328) assigned 25(25) open 275(275)
+ top 10 contributors:
Johnny_M made 80 patches in 1 month, and 757 patches in 1 year
Steve Fanning made 8 patches in 1 month, and 68 patches in 1 year
Kevin Suo made 8 patches in 1 month, and 30 patches in 1 year
Srebotnjak, Martin made 6 patches in 1 month, and 15 patches in 1 year
Akshit Kushwaha made 6 patches in 1 month, and 29 patches in 1 year
Nagy Tibor made 4 patches in 1 month, and 39 patches in 1 year
Tomoyuki Kubota made 4 patches in 1 month, and 8 patches in 1 year
Ross Johnson made 4 patches in 1 month, and 24 patches in 1 year
Attila Szűcs made 3 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
Henrik Palomäki made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Olivier Hallot made 118 review comments in 1 month, and 854 in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 90 review comments in 1 month, and 616 in 1 year
Michael Stahl made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 746 in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 620 in 1 year
Vajngerl, Tomaž made 70 review comments in 1 month, and 436 in 1 year
Grandin, Noel made 62 review comments in 1 month, and 516 in 1 year
McNamara, Caolán made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 364 in 1 year
Thorsten Behrens made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 382 in 1 year
Németh, László made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 394 in 1 year
Nabet, Julien made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 304 in 1 year
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
Felipe Lema (mortemale.org)
Rishav Chattopadhya
+ Normal week
+ 46 merged commits from the contributors (10 translations from Johnny_M)
+ have some easy hacks to be reviewed
tdf#145630 - Use atan2 function instead of atan
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145614
tdf#145614 - Convert #define to enum or constexpr
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145630
* Commit Access
+ None
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
+ resting since: 18 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
+ Missing Cloph
* l10n (Sophie)
+ no updates
* What’s cooking (Miklos)
+ Working on a minimal set of out of order undo operations (Miklos)
+ e.g. typing in parallel in two independent paragraphs
* Budget 2022 (Xisco)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022
+ ideas are welcome till the end of the year
+ earlier deadline? (Thorsten)
+ take list if ideas with estimates by end Nov
+ and have 2 weeks for the vote
+ how to find reviewers for good ideas? (Miklos)
+ it's just copied from the wiki page (Thorsten)
+ how to get estimations for your ideas? (Heiko)
+ you would need 10 people to estimate all the ideas (Thorsten)
+ there is no single person who can estimate all the ideas
+ also not sure we have the time this year to kick that off
+ wanted to ask something similar (Kendy)
+ a real estimation is 10 hours easily, so it's quite expensive
+ see this as a failure pattern: mar installer (Heiko)
+ wanted: small updates
+ quite some heavy-lifting was done
+ end-user didn't benefit much
+ agree there is a problem (Thorsten)
+ hiring somebody may not be a good fix, if that person is needed only once a year
+ public sector has similar problems, sometimes nobody bids for a tender
+ the way out there: be more agile, to allow iterations
+ fundamental issue: waterfall approach
+ want to steer development (Heiko)
+ decide what ideas are good and not
+ perhaps you want some kind of project manager (Kendy)
+ looking for a "Kendy" for 1 day to estimate things :-)
+ this is quite hard, as Thorsten said
+ more agile approach would be rather helpful
+ fix cost is very hard to fix after the fact, once the details are set in stone
+ good to discuss it outside the ESC call (Kendy, Thorsten)
+ preferably board-discuss@
* QA update (Xisco)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1582 (+17)
+ enhancements: 256 (+1)
+ needsUXEval: 10 (-4)
+ haveBackTrace: 3 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 27 (+0)
+ documentation: 10 (+0)
+ android: 1 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 16 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
+ Writer crashes on exporting as PDF with its Range in PDF Options set to 'Selection'
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145584 (backported to 7.2.3)
+ Michael S?
+ Julien Nabet's fix: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/125014
+ needs review
Old:
+ Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597
+ Needs someone to volunteer to fix.
+ already listed here for 2 years, and many duplicates
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ LibreOffice 7.2 introduced addition popup for read only file that shouldn't be showing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143971
+ Matt K?
+ character format dialog doesn't show the current character size any more
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145158
+ Fixed. thanks to Mike Kaganski
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+91 +92 (-137) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
QA Administrators 22
Buovjaga 9
Olivier Hallot 9
Xisco Faulí 9
Caolán McNamara 8
Kevin Suo 8
Heiko Tietze 5
phv 4
Attila Szűcs 3
László Németh 3
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
MarjaE 5
long 3
Gerald Pfeifer 2
Hossein 2
James Harkins 2
Ming Hua 2
Telesto 2
Andy 1
Dan Essin 1
David 1
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
Olivier Hallot 8
McNamara, Caolán 7
Kevin Suo 3
Németh, László 3
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2
Attila Szűcs 2
Nagy Tibor 2
Xisco Fauli 2
1
Andreas Heinisch 1
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Dieter 9
Xisco Fauli 5
Ezinne Nnamani 4
Alex Thurgood 2
Heiko Tietze 2
Hossein 2
McNamara, Caolán 2
Németh, László 2
Timur 2
michael.warner.ut+libreoffice at gmail.com 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
+ http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
6.0 : 1/53 - 1 % (+0)
5.4 : 0/41 - 0 % (+0)
5.3 : 0/54 - 0 % (+0)
5.2 : 0/43 - 0 % (+0)
5.1 : 1/36 - 2 % (+0)
5.0 : 0/64 - 0 % (+0)
4.4 : 0/76 - 0 % (+0)
4.3 : 0/73 - 0 % (+0)
4.2 : 2/134 - 1 % (+0)
4.1 : 3/85 - 3 % (+0)
4.0 : 2/83 - 2 % (+0)
old : 3/248 - 1 % (+0)
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+
done by:
Xisco Fauli 6
Ilmari Lauhakangas 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+
done by:
Xisco Fauli 6
Ilmari Lauhakangas 1
Kevin Suo 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1337(-12) bugs open of 11342(+7) total 16(+1) high prio.
done by:
Xisco Fauli 4
Andreas Heinisch 1
Timur 1
Robert Großkopf 1
Kevin Suo 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 11(+1)
Calc - 3(+0)
Draw - 1(+0)
LibreOffice - 1(+0)
by OS:
All - 15(+1)
Linux - 0(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 1(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 448(-7)
Calc - 235(-3)
Impress - 142(+0)
Writer: docx filter - 55(-1)
Crashes - 53(-1)
LibreOffice - 51(-1)
UI - 51(-1)
Draw - 50(+0)
Borders - 45(+0)
Writer: perf - 41(+0)
Base - 37(+1)
Writer: other filter - 35(+0)
Chart - 29(+0)
RTL - 27(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 24(+0)
graphics stack - 24(+0)
Printing and PDF export - 22(-1)
filters and storage - 19(+0)
BASIC - 17(+0)
Formula Editor - 2(+0)
framework - 1(+0)
sdk - 1(+0)
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