Fields for Zotero

[Phillips Rogfield]

Hi Michael,

thanks for your answer.

 1.

    My current understanding is that the proposed
    |com.sun.star.text.TextField.Bibliography| is the implementation for
    “Insert -> Table of Contents and Index -> Bibliography Entry” of
    LibreOffice Writer.
    Is that right?
    If it is, then it would mean that LibreOffice would manage the
    citation process (insert citations and bibliography). Right?
    We don’t want that. We want Zotero to manage it instead. We want
    Zotero to tell LibreOffice what an inline citation looks like and
    what a bibliography looks like.
    The alternative would be to import the Zotero database in
    LibreOffice, and then tell LibreOffice what the correct citation
    style is, and keep the database updated when the Zotero database
    changes, and keep the citation style updated when it changes.
    That looks too cumbersome.
    But maybe I’m failing to understand the process, I have no
    experience with LibreOffice citation management. I have always used
    Zotero.

 2.

        the other option is, you could insert this with arbitrary
        content via the Fieldmark service, and since about version 7.3
        this kind of works in the document model and can be stored as an
        ODF extension in addition to DOCX/RTF.

That sounds good, but the Fieldmark seems to lack documentation?

    however there is currently no implementation of /expanding/ the
    fieldmark, that is, there is no code to evaluate the fieldmark
    command and overwrite the fieldmark result.

I have no idea what that means.
I’m sorry for my lack of knowledge.
Does it mean that we can’t, from a LibreOffice Writer Java extension, 
retrieve the code of the fieldmark and tell LibreOffice what it should 
print instead of the code?
If so, on one hand it is exactly what we need, on the other hand it 
seems it is already working?
LibreOffice already shows the correct text, not the code.
I believe it shows the text in the tag |w:fldChar|, not the one in the 
tag |w:instrTex| (which contains the code).
Is that correct?

I hereby attach a document with a Zotero inline citation in the 
Microsoft Word “Fields” format, for reference. We can take it as a 
reference implementation.

Best.

On 16/08/2022 12:06, Michael Stahl wrote:

> On 16.08.22 09:03, Phillips Rogfield wrote:
>> Hi Miklos,
>>
>> thank you very much for your answer!
>>
>> Let’s make sure we are on the same page here.
>>
>> Zotero is already able to write its citation with LibreOffice.
>> To do so, it currently uses one of two methods, at user’s choice:
>> (1) ReferenceMarks, which are NOT compatible with Microsoft Word
>> (2) Bookmarks, which are SOMEHOW compatible with Microsoft Word, in 
>> the sense that you can’t put citations in footnotes, and they tend to 
>> break very easily.
>>
>> Instead, the Zotero plugin for Microsoft Word uses:
>> (1) Fields, which are NOT compatible with LibreOffice
>> (2) Bookmarks, see above.
>>
>> The point of this post is to allow the plugin for LibreOffice to use 
>> “Fields”.
>>
>> In particular, I have to use the UNO interface to write the following 
>> in the |word/document.xml| file inside a .docx file:
>>
>> |<w:r> <w:fldChar w:fldCharType="begin"/> </w:r> <w:r> <w:instrText 
>> xml:space="preserve"> [some text here] </w:instrText> </w:r> <w:r> 
>> <w:fldChar w:fldCharType="separate"/> </w:r> <w:r 
>> w:rsidRPr="007C09F6"> <w:rPr> <w:rFonts w:ascii="Calibri" 
>> w:hAnsi="Calibri" w:cs="Calibri"/> </w:rPr> <w:t> [some text here] 
>> </w:t> </w:r> <w:r> <w:fldChar w:fldCharType="end"/> </w:r> |
>>
>> would the |com.sun.star.text.TextField.Bibliography| interface allow 
>> me to write the above code?
>
> kind of, there is code to export it as a CITATION field in 
> DocxAttributeOutput::EndField_Impl in 
> sw/source/filter/ww8/docxattributeoutput.cxx.
>
> the other option is, you could insert this with arbitrary content via 
> the Fieldmark service, and since about version 7.3 this kind of works 
> in the document model and can be stored as an ODF extension in 
> addition to DOCX/RTF.
>
> however there is currently no implementation of *expanding* the 
> fieldmark, that is, there is no code to evaluate the fieldmark command 
> and overwrite the fieldmark result.

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