Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Aug-17

Heiko Tietze heiko.tietze at documentfoundation.org
Wed Aug 17 19:28:26 UTC 2022

Present: John, Eyal, Cor, Heiko
Comments: Stuart, Mike, Timur


  * Render non-printing line numbers with faint gray
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150375
    + potential solution for bug 150237
      + starting with a text would show no line number unless line 5, which
        is odd (Eyal)
      + dialog is started manually so users are aware of what they
        are doing (Cor)
      + how about starting with #1 (Heiko)
    + faint numbers are neat but probably not worth the effort (Stuart)
    + showing the current line number could be done via the statusbar (Heiko)
      + users want to see numbers of multiple lines (Eyal)
    + line numbers are important for minutes, for example (Eyal)
    + faint grey lines could be realized as an extra "line numbering" run before
      the actual line numbering; the option could be stored in the registry
      and applied to the document independently from the line numbering setting
    + better change the default to every line (John, Cor, Eyal)
      + less development effort, no confusion
    => prefer grey lines but change default is okay too => needsDevAdvice (could
      be easyhackable)

  * Paragraph mark in rotated-character paragraph placed in middle of text
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150276
    + show pilcrow at the next character, ie. on top of a rotated text,
      meaning bottom-to-top (Eyal)
    + show it right of the rotation as MSO does (Heiko)
    + pilcrow should be in line with the cursor (Regina)
    + keep pilcrow unrotated (Mike)
    + having it on top or at the side shifts text either for hard or
      soft breaks; suggest therefore to have the hard break right/left and
      suppress soft break in rotated text (Heiko)
    + MSO puts the rotated word into the next line for both hard and soft
      breaks (so we have an incongruency anyway) (Heiko)
    + rotate the pilcrow/softbreak symbol and put it at the end of the line;
      accept that is overwritten (Eyal, John)
    + pilcrow should be drawn under the text (Eyal)
    + many pro and cons, wouldn't put effort in any (bad) solution (Cor)
    => comment on the ticket, needsDevEval

  * TABLES: Command "Distribute columns evenly" doesn't work for a single row
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150244
    + respect the selection or treat the whole table as some static evenly
      distributed object when a flag is set, as requested in bug 128279
      + don't agree with bug 128279 (Cor)
    + expect an action and to respect the selection (John, Cor)
      + alt+left/right interaction should not change (Cor)
    + two different things both make sense; running the action (per selection)
      switches off the state (Eyal)
    => accept the ticket, ie. don't change not selected columns if a selection
       is active

  * Last row does not remain hidden when deleting row(s)
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150260
    + same behavior on MSO: if rows 15-last are empty, deleting some
      rows <15 doesn't show additional rows. If A1048576 is not empty, deleting
      rows 9-10 shows additional rows A1048575-A1048576 (Timur)
    + deleting columns does reduce the total number, however, in Excel but
      not in Calc
      + hiding columns sets width to zero
    + WPS never adds lines (Timur)
    + deleting rows add new to the end of the table, which are not hidden then;
      so hide the added row if the last one is hidden (Heiko)
      + how about other attributes such as formatting (Eyal)
        + only the hidden attribute
    => recommend to do it
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