ESC meeting minutes: 2022-06-02
Miklos Vajna
vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Jun 2 14:53:39 UTC 2022
* Present:
+ Caolan, Stephan, Heiko, Thorsten, Michael S, Olivier, Hossein, Ilmari, Lubos, Tomaz, Thorsten, Xisco, Miklos, Eike, Kendy, Michael M
* Completed Action Items:
+ create a wiki page for under-loved areas (Miklos)
+ see <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Under-loved_areas>
* Pending Action Items:
+ create a bugzilla query for open easy hacks without the reviewed:2022 whiteboard field (Hossein)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks/Review
347 bugs to review, help is appreciated.
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.4 status:
+ beta 1 in 1 week + feature freeze
+ late features: SmartArt editing (Thorsten)
+ 7.3 status: 7.3.4 rc2 was tagged
+ Remotes: Android, iOS
+ Android viewer
* Under-loved areas of the codebase (Michael M)
+ got plenty of good feedback (Caolan)
+ got lots of a11y feedback, want to summarize in the wiki
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Under-loved_areas
+ RTL summary for the wiki will be added (Hossein)
+ X-Forms feature is under-loved too
+ some people might use it and care (Miklos)
+ I added a list of commits per module (Michael)
+ is there a bugs/LOC metric ?
+ stats are there from bugzilla (Xisco)
+ have a similar script - will look at it.
+ do we have a list of modules ? (Hossein)
+ just used top-level directories (Michael)
+ to be abundantly clear: this is a speculative exercise based
on trying to speed-up a new putative process for identifying
areas to invest for the board (Michael)
+ hopefully avoiding any potential delay.
+ one thing to take to account (Hossein)
+ very old / popular bugs
+ think we can find things like that (Xisco)
+ things mentioned in QA section but hard to find the person (Miklos)
+ since not regressions - is that an interesting BZ query
+ high-severity but not a regression ?
+ enough duplicates - QA adds bumps severity (Xisco)
+ should we take it as-is and send it ? (Miklos)
+ suggest ranking it like we do for the budget (Michael)
+ when should we have a cut-off ?
+ if leave one more week before ranking - will get stats from BZ (Xisco)
* How to progress with Notebookbars (Heiko)
+ in bug 135501 (change the UI default) finalization is requested first
+ XML toolbar vs. UI MUFFIN
+ all/different kind of controls not only button; having different sizes
+ responsive to position / size (overflow mechanism)
+ context sensitive, customizable, extensionizable
+ see also bug 142653 c10
+ the hard problem is: not clear where we want to go
+ XML vs glade-based .ui concept
+ what can we do to make LO to have a more modern look? (Heiko)
+ would be very happy to declare this as an under-loved area (Kendy)
+ home-grown XML format possible to be extended - back-compat etc. (Miklos)
+ at the same time - don't want to expose glade format in SDK/extensions
+ a tension between fanciness & configurability (Heiko)
+ no idea how to tender moving between glade & XML
+ can produce one beautiful hard-coded UI with no flexibility
+ should ask users what they prefer (Olivier)
+ will show notebookbar is very important.
+ no right/wrong answer (Thorsten)
+ question over where the focus should be
+ in the end will irritate / disappoint someone
+ switch UI to something else:
+ old menu/toolbar should be still available for upgraders
+ only if you install a new UI - get chooser then ribbon UI
+ deprecate over several years.
+ idea - notebookbar not integrating whith extensions ? (Miklos)
+ orthogonal - where & how to provide programmability. (Thorsten)
+ strong-point, integrate into a larger solution.
+ what market should LibreOffice be usable for ?
+ single home-user occasionally loads a docx
different from someone integrating it with their custom app / UI
+ sidebar / notebookbar
+ is always a need for customization, switching off things,
cutting down the UI.
+ historically - always needed.
+ mnemonics don't work in notbookbar (Heiko)
+ a11y, customization a problem
+ good feedback here (Miklos)
+ can you come back with a proposal from the design POV ?
+ no-chance (Heiko)
+ is it enough to add to under-loved areas (Kendy)
+ write the main concerns, not collecting everything
+ seems you have some bits off top of head.
+ the best outcome (Heiko)
+ no developer is working on this
+ was Szymon occasionally in the past, need someone
doing the work.
+ worth getting the UX / product view of LibreOffice (Thorsten)
+ recollection of hey-days of notebookbar
+ was quite attractive - got many volunteer contributions on it
+ did other things in their day job & worked here in private time ?
+ worth getting the hard problems solved with paid time
+ then attracting volunteers to pad it out ?
* Atticization of LOOL (Michael)
+ proposal on a process for doing this.
+ ESC can propose this
+ to get it out of limbo with a clear outcome & clear way to re-start it.
+ propose to think about this for a week
+ worth having that discussion at this point (Thorsten)
+ not talking about it for a year or two - not going to resolve things
+ would abstain in a formal vote, but support having the discussion
+ a very under-loved area (Heiko)
+ proposal would be to think about this for a week (Miklos)
+ formal vote next week.
+ don't remember what atticization means (Olivier)
+ Emiliano and I wrote that (Thorsten)
+ poicy adopted in March
+ idea is to not have something around people think is
maintained
+ an indication people shouldn't expect sec. fixes & updates
+ LOOL is in a limbo state for ~2 years
+ useful - support having the discussion now to make up our mind.
+ reading it as abandoning the project (Olivier)
+ if it means deleting the git repo etc. that's not the case (Miklos)
+ perhaps the outcome is the same (Olivier)
+ does it work for everyone to think & make a decision next week ? (Miklos)
+ no objections
+ fine with me (Stephan)
+ would be good to have a protocol on how this works
+ will circulate a link to that (Thorsten)
+ policy is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Attic
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ no news
+ Helpcontents2
+ updates and fixes (S. Chaklin, ohallot, A. Romedenne, Laurent BP)
+ Fixes after translators review (S. Chailkin)
+ Guides
+ Refactoring of guide chapters for better use of master document
+ Printed books available
+ 7.4 edition on the works.
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
245(245) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
created 25(6) 62(9) 132(9) 336(3)
commented 71(24) 149(34) 308(45) 1521(44)
resolved 6(5) 17(3) 64(2) 207(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
Seth Chaiklin made 119 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
Olivier Hallot made 31 changes in 1 month, and 466 changes in 1 year
Heiko Tietze made 23 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 15 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
Timur made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 10 changes in 1 month, and 98 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 118 changes in 1 year
Rafael Lima made 8 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
McNamara, Caolán made 6 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 81(81) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 9(-1) 16(1) 36(2) 62(3)
commented 89(-38) 280(-31) 741(13) 2600(19)
removed 0(0) 2(-1) 14(-1) 36(-1)
resolved 2(-11) 26(-4) 77(-9) 354(-12)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 165 changes in 1 month, and 1801 changes in 1 year
Seth Chaiklin made 56 changes in 1 month, and 192 changes in 1 year
Rafael Lima made 44 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
Henschel, Regina made 23 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 21 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 375 changes in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 19 changes in 1 month, and 161 changes in 1 year
Németh, László made 17 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 16 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year
+ Bug 149414] Change submenu label for formatting textboxes and shapes in Calc and
Impress
+ [Bug 126530] Tabbed Notebook Bar Usability Issues on Windows 10
+ [Bug 149406] What is expected behavior of padding for characters, with and
without borders?
+ [Bug 149407] Proposal for slight change in position and label of controls in the
Position dialog for objects
+ [Bug 149396] "Character" -> "Character Bottom" in "to" option for "to character"
anchor and "Below" and "From bottom" as Vertical position
+ [Bug 149115] Accessibility Checker does not check for title property containing
only white space
-> + [Bug 149372] Paragraph numbering similar to line numbering
-> + [Bug 149351] SLIDESHOW: Feature request to add well known keyboard shortcut from
Powerpoint CTRL+A
+ [Bug 149353] With "to paragraph" anchoring, cannot position an object at the
bottom of a paragraph that extends over two pages
+ [Bug 149341] When clicking an Insert-shape button, focus is wrong
+ [Bug 149316] Clarify what a master slide is a master _for_
-> + [Bug 149288] Create an option to hide empty headings in the Navigator
+ [Bug 89131] UI Control spin button for number of heading rows in dialog Insert
Table is not working
+ [Bug 149304] UI Navigator style preview does not show font effects
+ [Bug 149287] UI: A different Formatting Mark for Numbered Entries
-> + [Bug 149281] Rename "Libreoffice" to "Libreoffice Start Center" in Windows Start
menu
+ [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right
paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
+ [Bug 145480] Find & Replace -> Footnotes/Endnotes
+ [Bug 138543] Not easy to notice that restriction to Selection has been activated
automatically in PDF export or Print dialog
+ [Bug 109862] 'Font Size' button in vertical toolbar does not work
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 37(+24) import failure, 36(+33) export failures
- troublesome commit bisected and reverted
+ 7 coverity issues
+ 11 ossfuzz issues
- 1 crash, 10 various OOM and timeout
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.6.2
+ (-191) 603 794 816 646 779 781 522 558 428 373 166 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.7.2
+ (+46) 314 268 167 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.3.2.2
+ (-160) 1558 1718 1720 1622 2249 2101 1664 934 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.3.3.2
+ (+166) 1583 1417 1055 555 0
+ crash scraper from last week: already helped
+ thanks to Caolan & Stephan for the fixes
+ let's see the numbers from the next versions
* Mentoring/EasyHack update (Hossein)
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 60(-29) 140(-9) 141(-9) 141(-12)
reviews 390(72) 1122(84) 3002(-102) 12568(66)
merged 319(-4) 1377(13) 3767(-109) 15658(-63)
abandoned 20(6) 71(2) 302(4) 825(-4)
own commits 223(-22) 1086(-25) 2893(-70) 12475(-84)
review commits 37(-3) 176(-3) 589(-36) 3598(-15)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 33(13) 90(13) 95(11) 95(9)
reviews 844(12) 3202(60) 8830(-148) 34386(-88)
merged 11(0) 41(2) 156(-9) 1366(-10)
abandoned 20(13) 46(15) 193(20) 459(15)
own commits 12(1) 51(4) 167(-27) 1359(-9)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 8(8) needsUXEval 1(1) cleanup_comments 306(306)
total 363(363) assigned 16(16) open 320(320)
+ top 10 contributors:
Srebotnjak, Martin made 6 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
Nagy Tibor made 6 patches in 1 month, and 33 patches in 1 year
Goncharuk, Lera made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
Attila Bakos made 4 patches in 1 month, and 35 patches in 1 year
Paris Oplopoios made 4 patches in 1 month, and 11 patches in 1 year
Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
flywire made 2 patches in 1 month, and 10 patches in 1 year
Ashleigh Sinclair made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
Fišeras, Aurimas made 1 patches in 1 month, and 1 patches in 1 year
Possoz, Louis made 1 patches in 1 month, and 1 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Thorsten Behrens made 96 review comments in 1 month, and 820 in 1 year
McNamara, Caolán made 94 review comments in 1 month, and 534 in 1 year
Michael Stahl made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 1242 in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 952 in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 896 in 1 year
Christian Lohmaier made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 252 in 1 year
Nabet, Julien made 52 review comments in 1 month, and 614 in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 708 in 1 year
Németh, László made 46 review comments in 1 month, and 436 in 1 year
Bergmann, Stephan made 42 review comments in 1 month, and 278 in 1 year
+ Patches automatically abandoned:
Introduced a new test vector for running tests ( Akshit Kushwaha ) -> restored
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/120871
tdf#144607 Log a message when libreoffice-base cannot be installed ( Ismael Luceno ) -> restored
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/123004
prefer VCLXPopupMenu to underlying PopupMenu ( Caolán McNamara )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/126806
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
Possoz, Louis
+ Simplified the LibreOffice build instructions for different platforms
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Hossein/Build
+ Minimized the build instructions
+ Tested the instructions for different platforms to verify that they work
+ Need more feedback
+ Java 9, or 11?
+ Java 8 is supported still, but not Java 9 (Hossein)
+ makes sense (Stephan)
+ the README.md in the toplevel directory documents the Jenkins baseline (Cloph)
+ Jenkins uses java 11
+ Java 9 upgrade was due to the commit Stephan mentioned on the mailing list (Miklos)
AI: update README.md accordingly (Hossein)
* GSoC (Hossein/Ilmari)
+ Timeline: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
+ June 13th, coding officially begins
* Commit Access
+ None
+ GSoC students? (Kendy)
+ Paris currently uses gerrit changes (Tomaž)
+ Fine with going with master for now (Thorsten)
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
+ resting since: 21 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
from:Thu May 26 14:01:37 2022
master linux rel jobs: 135 ok: 128 ko: 5 fail ratio: 3.70 % break: 2 broken duration: 1.65%
master linux dbg jobs: 115 ok: 109 ko: 4 fail ratio: 3.48 % break: 2 broken duration: 1.59%
master mac rel jobs: 84 ok: 81 ko: 3 fail ratio: 3.57 % break: 1 broken duration: 1.47%
master mac dbg jobs: 80 ok: 76 ko: 4 fail ratio: 5.00 % break: 1 broken duration: 1.92%
master win rel jobs: 87 ok: 84 ko: 3 fail ratio: 3.45 % break: 2 broken duration: 1.34%
master win dbg jobs: 94 ok: 92 ko: 2 fail ratio: 2.13 % break: 1 broken duration: 0.60%
master win64 dbg jobs: 89 ok: 86 ko: 3 fail ratio: 3.37 % break: 2 broken duration: 1.33%
master gerrit lin jobs: 409 ok: 342 ko: 39 fail ratio: 9.54% time for ok: mean: 21 median: 18
master gerrit plg jobs: 394 ok: 262 ko: 101 fail ratio: 25.63% time for ok: mean: 43 median: 41
master gerrit win jobs: 425 ok: 324 ko: 62 fail ratio: 14.59% time for ok: mean: 56 median: 54
master gerrit mac jobs: 415 ok: 325 ko: 53 fail ratio: 12.77% time for ok: mean: 39 median: 35
master android jobs: 389 ok: 319 ko: 46 fail ratio: 11.83% time for ok: mean: 24 median: 18
master gerrit all jobs: 423 ok: 246 ko: 135 fail ratio: 31.91% time for ok: mean: 79 median: 58
+ https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_220602.html
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days:
3 UITest_pasteSpecial gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
3 UITest_writer_tests4 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
5 CppunitTest_sdext_pdfimport gerrit_windows
5 CppunitTest_vcl_backend_test gerrit_windows
15 Killed by the kill-wrapper gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
+ it was a good week (Cloph)
+ sc_macros_test failure disappeared, though reason is not clear
+ pdf-related fix helped a lot
+ thanks Noel (even if just disabling the test)
* l10n (Sophie)
+ no updates
* What’s cooking (Miklos)
+ 16k cols in Calc (Lubos)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133764
+ feature/chartdatatable: MSO-style data tables for charts (Tomaz)
+ see initial commits in master
+ Working on SmartArt editing (Armin)
+ Adding content controls to Writer (Miklos)
+ inline <w:sdt> in DOCX, rich text/checkbox/dropdown/picture/date types
+ Grammar checker (Mert)
+ finalizing, hope to get it in before the LO 7.4 branch-off
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/135178
* QA update (Xisco)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1704 (+29)
+ enhancements: 274 (+6)
+ needsUXEval: 11 (+4)
+ haveBackTrace: 6 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 28 (-1)
+ documentation: 29 (+3)
+ android: 3 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 12 (+1)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
None
Old:
+ macOS: Can't save or open files using Finder dialog on Standard accounts on macOS 10.15 Catalina
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128233
+ started to happen with a new macOS version
+ somebody has to do the work to keep up with the new Apple requirements
+ sometimes this works, sometimes now (Stephan)
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
None
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+129 +7 (-119) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Timur 14
Rafael Lima 8
Caolán McNamara 7
Dieter 6
Xisco Faulí 6
sdc.blanco 6
QA Administrators 5
Martin Srdoš 4
Mike Kaganski 4
Tibor Nagy (NISZ) 4
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
Eyal Rozenberg 18
sdc.blanco 9
NISZ LibreOffice Team 6
Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 4
LaVerne 4
Xisco Faulí 3
Aron Budea 2
Colin 2
Justin 2
Mike Kaganski 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
McNamara, Caolán 6
Seth Chaiklin 5
Nagy Tibor 4
Glogowski, Jan-Marek 3
Németh, László 3
*UNKNOWN* 2
Attila Bakos 2
Luboš Luňák 2
Nabet, Julien 2
Rizal Muttaqin 2
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Timur 15
NISZ LibreOffice Team 6
Xisco Fauli 6
Heiko Tietze 5
Rafael Lima 5
Dieter 3
Raal 3
m.a.riosv 3
*UNKNOWN* 2
Alex Thurgood 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
+ http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
6.0 : 1/53 - 1 % (+0)
5.4 : 0/41 - 0 % (+0)
5.3 : 0/54 - 0 % (+0)
5.2 : 0/43 - 0 % (+0)
5.1 : 1/36 - 2 % (+0)
5.0 : 0/64 - 0 % (+0)
4.4 : 0/76 - 0 % (+0)
4.3 : 0/73 - 0 % (+0)
4.2 : 2/134 - 1 % (+0)
4.1 : 3/85 - 3 % (+0)
4.0 : 2/83 - 2 % (+0)
old : 1/246 - 0 % (+0)
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+
done by:
Xisco Fauli 2
Aron Budea 1
Raal 1
Martin Srdoš 1
Timur 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+
done by:
Martin Srdoš 2
Xisco Fauli 2
Aron Budea 1
Raal 1
Samuel Mehrbrodt 1
Timur 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1260(-6) bugs open of 11819(+9) total 11(+0) high prio.
done by:
Xisco Fauli 3
Michael Stahl 1
Németh, László 1
Raal 1
Samuel Mehrbrodt 1
Timur 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 6(+0)
LibreOffice - 2(+0)
Calc - 1(+0)
Draw - 1(+0)
Impress - 1(+0)
by OS:
All - 9(+0)
Linux - 0(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 2(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 462(-4)
Calc - 200(+0)
Impress - 123(-3)
Crashes - 59(-3)
Writer: docx filter - 59(-2)
LibreOffice - 48(+0)
UI - 45(+1)
Draw - 44(+0)
Writer: perf - 38(+1)
Borders - 36(-1)
Writer: other filter - 35(+0)
Base - 34(+0)
Chart - 26(+0)
RTL - 25(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 22(+1)
Printing and PDF export - 20(+0)
graphics stack - 19(+2)
BASIC - 17(+0)
filters and storage - 16(+0)
Formula Editor - 2(+0)
framework - 2(+0)
Linguistic - 1(+0)
sdk - 1(+0)
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