[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-12

[Eyal Rozenberg]

I have to protest meeting in which most bugs up for discussion are ones I've either filed or have been part of the discussion on, scheduled without consulting me regarding the time. I'm at work in the afternoon and can usually not attend at these hours. And then of course when I'm not there, naturally, there is typically nobody to argue for the idea nor to address reservations which are first brought up in the design meeting rather than on the bug page.

> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43 PM
> From: "Heiko Tietze" <heiko.tietze at documentfoundation.org>
> To: "LibO Dev" <libreoffice at lists.freedesktop.org>, "LibO QA" <libreoffice-qa at lists.freedesktop.org>, "LibO Design" <design at global.libreoffice.org>
> Subject: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-12
>
> Present: Cor, Heiko
> Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Seth, Dieter, Mike
> 
> Tickets/Topics
> 
>   * PS formatting gets lost, if you paste text into an new document
>     with same name of PS, but different settings
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138786
>     + keep target style when pasting a source with the same PS (Heiko)
>       or let the user confirm (Dieter) or provide some kind of
>       paste special option (Mike)
>     + unclear use case (Heiko)
>     + is a bug: pasting styled content should take the formatting
>       from the source if the style is unused, otherwise the target style
>       + works for some but not all styles (Cor)
>     => bug for the particular style
> 
>   * "Drawing Style" should be renamed "Drawing Object Style"
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152656
>     + +1 (Stuart), -1 (Roman, Heiko), challenge for "Default Drawing Style"
>     + "Default Object Style" or "Default Style" or
>       "Default Drawing-Object Style" (Eyal)
>     + not worth the effort (Cor)
>     => resolve WF
> 
>   * Change "outline level" to "heading level" in UI and help pages for Writer
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152605
>     + "Chapter and Outline Numbering", here "Heading Level" (Stuart)
>     + "Heading and Outline Numbering" (Eyal) misleading as the request is about
>       *Outline Level* supposedly named "Heading Level" (Seth)
>     + just "Level"; the Level is defined in a "*Chapter* numbering"
>       dialog; could be "Numbering level" (Heiko)
>       + no improvement so rather keep it (Heiko)
>     + agree to "Heading Level" but we also have a frame label; and the tab itself
>       is named "Outline & List" (Cor)
>     + afraid of unknown consequences (Cor)
>     => recommend to keep "outline level"
> 
>   * Introduce a Slide/Page style category in Impress
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152655
>     + provide kind of direct formatting opportunity via sidebar
>       for many different options (Eyal)
>     + unclear relation to master slides, everything should be covered (Cor)
>     + introducing a new style means to trigger the standardization and
>       to add the new feature ultimately to every application (Heiko)
>     + it will bring _more_ complexity to the users..
>       + better improve gaps in master slide implementation (Cor)
>     => invalid request
> 
>   * "Hybrid PDF" must share embedded media between the ODT and the proper PDF
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152661
>     + excessive increase in size (Eyal)
>     + do understand the issue - would be nice if that can be avoided, but..
>     + PDF and ODF are different formats, keeping both at full length
>       has its value (Stuart, Heiko)
>     + likely requires to change every PDF reader to access media from
>       a shared-data section - or to update all ODF writer/reader and the
>       standardization to do so (Cor)
>     => WF
> 
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