ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01

Italo Vignoli italo at vignoli.org
Thu Jun 1 17:23:33 UTC 2023


No need to inform me, I always read ESC meetings minutes

On 01/06/23 16:57, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> * Present:
>      + Caolan, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Justin, Khaled, Olivier, 
> Stephan, Xisco, Michael S, Miklos, Florian, Eike
> 
> * Completed Action Items:
>      + write to the marketing mailing list, explaining it's a good idea 
> to make that decision now (Justin)
>      + disable the problematic part of CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 for now 
> (Xisco)
>      + send the final LOCOn 2023 workshop dates to Gabriel by the end of 
> the last week (Hossein/Stephane)
>        + Done -> 21-23 Sepmtber (conference days)
> 
> * Pending Action Items:
> 
> 
> * Release Engineering update (Cloph/Xisco)
>      + 7.6 status: feature freeze in 1 week + beta 1 / feature freeze
>        + rc 1 will be in 5 weeks / string / UI freeze
>        + bring up late features if they won't make that date!
>          + pin items on the start center (Heiko)
>            + gerrit change: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152136
> 
>      + 7.5 status: 7.5.4 rc2 this week, has been tagged yesterday
> 
>      + marketing clarified that the next version number is 24.2 (or 
> 2024.2) (Justin)
>        + "The one that fits best development: 24.2 or 2024.2 are the 
> same for marketing"
>      -suggest NOT 2024.2 (either 2024.02 or 24.(0)2 (date-hints are 
> always 2 digit)
>      -suggest 24.2.0 - 24.2.7 as first stated/hinted at by marketing 
> (Justin)
> 
>          -safe: no need to require LO or external scripts to handle 
> zero-padded versions.
> 
>        - concerned about dropping "20" from the "2024" (Stephan)
> 
>          - jumping from 99 is 2100 would be a possibility
> 
>        - 2024.2 is easier to recognize (Heiko)
> 
>        - 24 internally, 2024 externally? (Hossein)
> 
>          - important point: date-based (Cloph)
> 
>        - wonder if it'll be always releasing in February / August (Xisco)
> 
>          - don't think it'll be that confusing (Cloph)
> 
>          - the version label will reflect the change, if needed
> 
>          - main reason is to avoid finding arguments for version bump, 
> made up, after the fact
> 
>          - was it considered to just always increment the major version 
> like Firefox / Chrome does it? (Khaled)
> 
>            - would avoid completely switching
> 
>            - was considered, but rejected: would not provide any benefit 
> compared to randomly bumping the major version (Cloph)
> 
>            - just increasing major version would also follow some 
> projects (Michael S)
> 
>        - difference vs Firefox / Chrome (Thorsten)
> 
>          - nobody cares about the version anymore, due to auto-update
> 
>        - technically, 2024.2 is possible? (Hossein)
> 
>          - 2024.1, 2024.a or .b?
> 
>            - 2024 would be possible, but would prefer 24 (Cloph)
> 
>            - letters are harder (think of app stores)
> 
>            - not great to use different internal / external versions
> 
>        - x.y as major had the opportunity to make big noise about a 
> release (Olivier)
> 
>        => go with 24.2 / 24.8 (all)
> 
>      AI: get back to Italo with this (Justin)
> 
> 
> * Documentation (Olivier)
>      + Helpcontents2
>         + Added Tabbed UI menu path for many commands (ohallot)
>         + Updates and fixes (A. Barrientos , S. Chaiklin, ohallot)
>      + Guides
>         + Published Math Guide 7.5
> 
>      + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
>          260(260) bugs open
>      + Updates:
>          BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
>             created      8(6)    35(-1)     93(-15)    303(-8)
>           commented     15(9)    68(-9)    285(-15)   1036(-73)
>            resolved      3(2)    17(2)      43(-5)     175(-4)
>      + top 10 contributors:
>            Olivier Hallot made 60 changes in 1 month, and 501 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Stéphane Guillou made 25 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes 
> in 1 year
>            Roman Kuznetsov made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Seth Chaiklin made 12 changes in 1 month, and 338 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Heiko Tietze made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 
> year
>            Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes 
> in 1 year
>            Vernon, Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 44 
> changes in 1 year
>            Kaganski, Mike made 4 changes in 1 month, and 102 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Bogdan B made 2 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
>            Cip made 2 changes in 1 month, and 2 changes in 1 year
> 
> * UX Update (Heiko)
>      + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
>          276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 65(65) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
> evaluated by the UXteam
>      + Updates:
>          BZ changes   1 week   1 month    3 months   12 months
>               added      4(-1)    19(-1)     34(-1)      53(-3)
>           commented     62(1)    298(-73)   898(-24)   2355(-77)
>             removed      2(2)      6(2)      13(1)       28(2)
>            resolved      8(3)     52(-2)    112(2)      316(4)
>      + top 10 contributors:
>            Heiko Tietze made 225 changes in 1 month, and 1461 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Stéphane Guillou made 82 changes in 1 month, and 334 changes 
> in 1 year
>            Roman Kuznetsov made 40 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes 
> in 1 year
>            Bogdan B made 33 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
>            Dieter made 29 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
>            Ilmari Lauhakangas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 205 
> changes in 1 year
>            Kaganski, Mike made 24 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 
> 1 year
>            Vernon, Stuart Foote made 21 changes in 1 month, and 356 
> changes in 1 year
>            Justin Luth made 20 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
>            Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
>      + [Bug 152576] Accessibility check from status bar is not updated 
> in real time,
>             not even on save
>   -> + [Bug 155494] Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the 
> end of a line
>         + result from a patch by Attila for bug 104683
>         + current behavior looks reasonable, wouldn't really change it 
> (Miklos)
>         + agreed (Heiko)
>      + [Bug 155257] Document recovery dialog should not delay the 
> opening of unrelated
>             files
>      + [Bug 148242] Confusing range handle when editing formula
>   -> + [Bug 155502] Cannot scale image to edge of paper size despite 
> margins set to zero
>        + input on this is appreciated in the bug
>      + [Bug 155393] Crash in SfxShell::GetViewShell()
> 
> * ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian)
>    + reportedly Ilmari was sharing some list of projects to review, see 
> below
>    + Review of the items selected by ESC from 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022 (Ilmari)
>    + if anybody has further comments on the above list, deadline to 
> provide your input is 28th of May (Thorsten)
>    + couple of new proposals, but no cost estimates for them (Ilmari)
>      + 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%2FBudget2023&type=revision&diff=672211&oldid=612682
>      + worth estimating one or two of them?
>    + process draft, full text:
>      https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3
>    + next: effort estimates (Thorsten)
>      + default would be to just disqualify the items without estimates
>      + idea: only do estimates for the ideas which would be tendered
>      + if can't find anybody who won't bid to estimate -> also disqualify
>      + ideally somebody from TDF staff should own this process (Thorsten)
>    + has the info from Thorsten from yesterday (Florian)
>      + the board will do the formal decision, based on ESC suggestion
>      + need to declare who will bid
>      + new proposals will need person day estimates from non-bidders
>      + probably Ilmari / Khaled can own the process
>      + need to publish the ranking: in read-only mode
>      + will work with Italo/Mike on the transparency section, before the 
> first tender is published
>    + next steps (Thorsten)
>      + for old projects: need to re-do effort estimates by TDF staff
>      + good to publish the list of projects that are in the budget 
> (Thorsten)
>      + would like the community to participate (Heiko)
>        + why not all TDF members do the ranking?
>        + assumption behind that was that some projects are extremely 
> technical (Thorsten)
>        + internal refactoring: people outside ESC would not consider 
> such non-user-visible changes
>        + but e.g. 10% could be decided by TDF members
>        + idea was to let the engineering leadership to decide
>        + next year the process can be a bit different (Florian)
>          + good to improve things next year
>      + ranking is decided by the consensus of the non-conflicted members 
> (Thorsten)
>        + but the ranking can be done by all ESC members
>      + Items currently in the budget draft (Florian)
>        + Text layout Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance
>        + Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows
>        + C++ accessibility tests
>        + Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt
>        + Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives
>        + Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding)
>        + Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one
>        + Stabilize cross-page table layouting
>        + Font subsetter for font embedding
>        + Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth
>        + ODT export nondeterminism
>        + Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint
>        + Decouple master slide and layouts
>        + Look-ahead styleref field for Writer
>        + Normalized spell checking
>        + Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes
>        + Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL
>        + XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts
>      + new ideas (Thorsten)
>        + better text justification
>        + AI-based text-to-speech, OCR, etc
>      + next step (Florian)
>        + by next week: have effort estimates checked by TDF staff (Xisco)
>        + propose a separate call, for those who want to rank (Thorsten)
>          + the week after
>          + sorry for the double-estimate, can't avoid that
>        + sounds like a good plan (Florian, Xisco)
> 
> * Crash Testing (Caolan)
>      + 28(+0) import failure, 2(+0) export failures
>        - Mike K. has one more fixed since
>      + 0 coverity issues
>      + 4 ossfuzz issues
>        - no crashes
>      + CVE-2023-2255 and CVE-2023-0950 published
> 
> * Crash Reporting (Xisco)
>     + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.4.6.2
>           + (-146) 653 799 666 871 679 676 683 513 392 371 241 0
>     + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.4.7.2
>           + (-1) 250 251 118 0
>     + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.2.2
>           + (-112) 628 740 674 1041 1070 1162 950 527 0
>     + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.3.2
>           + (+145) 1174 1029 702 453 0
> 
> * Mentoring (Hossein)
>    + Two new EasyHacks
>      + Split huge complex functions into multiple functions with less 
> complexity
>        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155628
>        + no concerns, if the refactor is really mechanical and not 
> mixing with functional changes (Miklos)
>        + not sure if the metric is useful (Stephan)
>          + think of a simple long if list
>          + if that complex, probably best not to touch it anyway
>        + input in the bug is appreciated (Hossein)
>      + Deduplicate copy/paste code (reboot with a new tool)
>        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155630
> 
>            committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
>                    open      76(7)      125(10)     172(-2)       180(-4)
>                 reviews     302(8)     1150(-98)   3058(-56)    10688(-102)
>                  merged     216(-54)   1045(-44)   3225(-126)   12296(-267)
>               abandoned       7(-4)      44(-3)     170(-9)       636(-27)
>             own commits     154(-25)    811(-48)   2526(-101)   10342(-71)
>          review commits      44(-14)    279(-14)    837(-61)     3028(2)
>          contributor...   1 week     1 month      3 months     12 months
>                    open      18(2)      208(-1)      232(5)        234(0)
>                 reviews     626(-74)   2958(-166)   8350(-288)   
> 31818(-164)
>                  merged      14(0)      118(-42)     536(-32)     2910(170)
>               abandoned       1(-3)      19(-5)       80(-10)      512(-9)
>             own commits      11(-5)      83(-6)      311(-43)     1022(6)
>          review commits       0(0)        0(0)         0(0)          0(0)
>      + easyHack statistics:
>         needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 326(326)
>         total 394(394)   assigned 28(28)   open 340(340)
>      + top 10 contributors:
>            Sophia Schroeder made 10 patches in 1 month, and 46 patches 
> in 1 year
>            Dr. David Alan Gilbert made 8 patches in 1 month, and 11 
> patches in 1 year
>            Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 7 patches in 1 month, and 67 
> patches in 1 year
>            Vojtěch Doležal made 5 patches in 1 month, and 14 patches in 
> 1 year
>            Baole Fang made 4 patches in 1 month, and 17 patches in 1 year
>            Svante Schubert made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 
> year
>            Colomban Wendling made 3 patches in 1 month, and 22 patches 
> in 1 year
>            Czeber László made 3 patches in 1 month, and 10 patches in 1 
> year
>            Srebotnjak, Martin made 2 patches in 1 month, and 24 patches 
> in 1 year
>            Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
>      + top 10 reviewers:
>            Nabet, Julien made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 908 in 
> 1 year
>            Thorsten Behrens made 102 review comments in 1 month, and 520 
> in 1 year
>            Michael Stahl made 96 review comments in 1 month, and 1076 in 
> 1 year
>            Vajna, Miklos made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 740 in 
> 1 year
>            Ilmari Lauhakangas made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 
> 328 in 1 year
>            Timar, Andras made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 364 in 
> 1 year
>            Hossein made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 280 in 1 year
>            Xisco Fauli made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 824 in 1 
> year
>            Rathke, Eike made 48 review comments in 1 month, and 292 in 1 
> year
>            Kłos, Szymon made 46 review comments in 1 month, and 212 in 1 
> year
> 
> * GSoC (Ilmari)
>    + Missing Ilmari
>    + contributors can start already
>    + coding started on 29th May (Thorsten)
>      + expect weekly reports
> 
> * Commit Access
>    + None
> 
> * Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/Thorsten/László)
>    + resting since: 10 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
> 
> * Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
> gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 138 ok: 121 ko:   9 fail ratio: 6.52% 
> mean_ok:  13 ( 16) median_ok:   8 ( 10)
> gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 138 ok: 127 ko:   5 fail ratio: 3.62% 
> mean_ok:  12 ( 15) median_ok:   8 ( 10)
> gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 137 ok: 124 ko:   7 fail ratio: 5.11% 
> mean_ok:  11 ( 14) median_ok:   7 ( 10)
> gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 137 ok: 127 ko:   4 fail ratio: 2.92% 
> mean_ok:  12 ( 15) median_ok:   8 ( 12)
> gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 317 ok: 205 ko:  91 fail ratio: 28.71% 
> mean_ok:  49 ( 51) median_ok:  47 ( 48)
> gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 275 ok: 230 ko:  31 fail ratio: 11.27% 
> mean_ok:  23 ( 24) median_ok:  21 ( 21)
> gerrit_mac                 jobs: 293 ok: 208 ko:  63 fail ratio: 21.50% 
> mean_ok:  48 ( 54) median_ok:  43 ( 47)
> gerrit_windows             jobs: 285 ok: 204 ko:  47 fail ratio: 16.49% 
> mean_ok:  67 ( 78) median_ok:  58 ( 65)
> gerrit_master              jobs: 307 ok: 174 ko:  99 fail ratio: 32.25% 
> mean_ok:  83 ( 83) median_ok:  71 ( 71)
>     + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_230601.html
>     + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
>        3 UITest_cui_dialogs                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
>        4 CppunitTest_framework_dispatch                gerrit_windows
>        5 Killed by the kill-wrapper                
> gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
>        5 CppunitTest_sc_uicalc                gerrit_mac
>       20 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_mac
>       + this week was silent: few builds, few failures (Cloph)
>       + sw_uiwriter4 is not a problem anymore
>       + larger number of builds killed by the kill-wrapper
> 
> * What’s cooking (Miklos)
>    + tdf#155118 multi-page floating tables in Writer (Miklos)
>    + multi-color gradients (Armin)
>      + bugfixing mode
>      + the feature is there, should be working; corner-cases need still 
> addressing
> 
> * LibreOffice conference Bucharest 2023 (Gabriel)
>    + call for papers: 
> https://events.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-conference-2023/cfp
>      + Deadline is at the end of June
> 
> * QA update (Xisco)
>      + UNCONFIRMED: 1093 (-11)
>          + enhancements: 267  (-11)
>          + needsUXEval: 7 (-1)
>          + haveBackTrace: 9 (+0)
>          + needsDevAdvice: 33 (+0)
>          + documentation:  1 (-1)
>          + android:  3 (+0)
>          + iOS:  0 (+0)
>          + Online:  12 (+0)
> 
>      + Most pressing bugs:
>       New:
> 
>      None
> 
> 
>      + New high severity bugs of the week:
>          + 2023-05-29_Define a custom color does not work any longer
>              + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155543
>              + Already fixed, thanks Stephan
> 
> * QA stats (Stéphane)
>      + 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
>        +98  +4 (-162) overall)
>        many thanks to the top bug squashers:
>         Justin L                32
>         BogdanB                 21
>         QA Administrators       17
>         Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 15
>         خالد حسني               9
>         Heiko Tietze            8
>         Buovjaga                7
>         Mike Kaganski           6
>         Caolán McNamara         5
>         Julien Nabet            5
> 
>      + top 10 bugs reporters:
>         Alexander Kurakin       6
>         Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 3
>         Regina Henschel         3
>         Samuel Mehrbrodt (allotropia) 3
>         Telesto                 3
>         خالد حسني               3
>         BogdanB                 2
>         Caolán McNamara         2
>         Rafael Lima             2
>         Robert Großkopf         2
> 
>      + top 10 bugs fixers:
>         Justin Luth             16
>         خالد حسني               7
>         Caolán McNamara         4
>         Heiko Tietze            3
>         Michael Stahl           3
>         Nabet, Julien           3
>         Grandin, Noel           2
>         Kaganski, Mike          2
>         Olivier Hallot          2
>         Seth Chaiklin           2
> 
>      + top 10 bugs confirmers:
>         Stéphane Guillou        33
>         m.a.riosv               13
>         Heiko Tietze            7
>         خالد حسني               6
>         Bogdan B                5
>         Nabet, Julien           5
>         Raal                    4
>         Roman Kuznetsov         3
>         Telesto                 3
>         Dieter                  2
> 
> * Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
>     + more accurate - down to a single commit.
>     + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
>     +
> 
>       done by:
>          Stéphane Guillou       7
>          Raal                   4
>          csyu.279               2
>          Justin Luth            1
>          Kelemen, Gabor         1
>          Xisco Fauli            1
> 
> * Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
>     + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
>     +
> 
>       done by:
>          Stéphane Guillou       6
>          Raal                   4
>          csyu.279               2
>          Justin Luth            1
>          Kelemen, Gabor         1
>          Xisco Fauli            1
> 
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
>     + 1210(-15) bugs open of 12589(+9) total 15(+1) high prio.
> 
>       done by:
>          Raal                   3
>          Stéphane Guillou       3
>          m.a.riosv              1
>          Robert Großkopf        1
>          Xisco Fauli            1
> 
> * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
>     + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
>       Writer        - 8(+0)
>       Calc          - 3(+0)
>       Base          - 1(+1)
>       Draw          - 1(+0)
>       Impress       - 1(+0)
>       LibreOffice   - 1(+0)
> 
>     by OS:
>       All           - 10(+0)
>       Linux         - 3(+1)
>       Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
>       Windows       - 2(+0)
> 
> * ~Component   count net * all regressions
>     + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
>       Writer: other            - 426(-6)
>       Calc                     - 218(-3)
>       Impress                  - 133(+0)
>       LibreOffice              - 50(+0)
>       Crashes                  - 48(-4)
>       Draw                     - 48(+0)
>       Writer: docx filter      - 45(-2)
>       Base                     - 42(+2)
>       UI                       - 34(+0)
>       Writer: perf             - 33(+0)
>       Borders                  - 31(-1)
>       Writer: other filter     - 30(+0)
>       Chart                    - 25(-1)
>       Printing and PDF export  - 25(-1)
>       RTL                      - 23(+0)
>       filters and storage      - 19(+1)
>       BASIC                    - 18(-1)
>       Writer: doc filter       - 14(-3)
>       graphics stack           - 13(+0)
>       Formula Editor           - 3(+0)
>       Extensions               - 2(+0)
>       sdk                      - 2(+0)
>       Linguistic               - 1(+0)
>       framework                - 1(+0)
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