Firebird not experimental

[Juan C. Sanz]

*Juan C. Sanz*
El 27/08/2024 a las 12:29, Julien Nabet escribió:
>
> Hello Juan,
>
>> According to TDF#51780
>> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780> 
>> /(Database-Firebird-Default) - [META] Default to Firebird not HSQLDB in
>> Base (for new_files)/, there currently do not appear to be any bugs that
>> actually affect the functionality of the Firebird database engine.
>>
>> Most are enhancement requests to take advantage of capabilities that
>> Firebird has that do not exist in other databases or are implemented in
>> a different way
> There are also old bugs which aren't enhancements which are not fixed:
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123412
>
In relation with this bug, it is a non confirmed bug. May be a problem 
that the reporter has in their computer. I haven' t had this pb and I 
work with Base and Writer opened many times. Any case I don't think it 
is a blocker
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116936
>
This one, although could be useful, as it is said in the comment #10  " 
there's no driver in connectivity which implements this. But let's say 
Firebird would be the first one", so we can survive without solve it 
(although, of course it would be very interesting to solve)
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112491
>
As the Firebird Language reference says "It is not possible to convert 
an existing column to an identity column, or to convert an identity 
column to a normal column. Firebird 4 will introduce the ability to 
convert an identity column to a normal column", so this bug is not a 
bug, but a limitation of Firebird. Surely it is possible to show better 
message when somebody try to modify it, but also, I think is not a blocker.
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105220
>
This one, in my opinion, is not a bug, but a request of enhancement. In 
the workaround there are shown solution if you need the value. The 
solutions are very similar to the solutions used with MySQL/MariaDB for 
example. ><Interesting to solve, any way
>
> ...
>
> Moreover
>
> 1) we still use FB 3.0.7 whereas 2 major releases have been published 
> (4 and 5) and version 6 is in dev.
>
> At minimum, we should upgrade to version 5 to avoid trying to fix bugs 
> on a old FB version.
>
Totally agree. I hope @taichi can finish the work that is doing 
(unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to help)
>
> 2) what about the existing odb with HSQL Embedded, should we propose 
> migration towards FB each time knowing there are still quite some bugs 
> about it?
>
> we may also stop proposing to migrate but then we need to maintain 
> HSQLDB in addition to FB.
>
As already said, we should maintain the migration process, but as an 
option, at least not asking every time.

I think that HSQLDB should be remain together wit Firebird as embedded 
databases

> 3) there are not a lot of bugs about FB LO implementation per se 
> because it's experimental but we may expect a fload of them if FB is 
> not experimental again => who will take in charge the fload ?
>
> Lionel is the only expert indicated in 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert and he's not very 
> available (I don't blame him, events in life often change your 
> priorities, sometimes against your will)
>
> Since Collabora and Allotropia hired most of the 
> historical/experimented devs, if the customers of these 2 companies 
> aren't interested for FB support, I suppose their devs won't have time 
> for this.
>
>
> So IMHO I'd let FB experimental except if someone is volunteer to work 
> on the related bugs.
>
As I said, I think that put Firebid out of experimental mode can attract 
more developers to work on Base. I'll be my best, but as you already has 
seen I'm not a good developer, or better said I'm no a developer at all
>
> Julien
>
> Remark: I put Lionel in cc as the Base expert dev and Robert+Alex Base 
> expert for QA part.
>
Regards

*Juan C. Sanz*

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