[Mesa-users] mesa driver with cad apps (solid edge, solidworks)
Jared Conway
jared at fra.me
Wed Jan 13 15:51:02 PST 2016
Hi Brian, thanks for the info.
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Brian Paul <brianp at vmware.com> wrote:
> You're welcome to file bugs in the Mesa bugzilla database. There's a
> chance someone might investigate them.
>
> If you come up with code patches, they should be posted for review on the
> mesa-dev mailing list.
>
> -Brian
>
> On 01/13/2016 10:28 AM, Jared Conway wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that. And should we find an issue, how do we report the
>> issue, do we need to provide code updates or does someone (or team of
>> people) solve the issue?
>>
>>
>> Jared Conway | Product Manager | 650.918.0324
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>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Brian Paul <brianp at vmware.com
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The apitrace tool which I mentioned is pretty useful. You can use
>> it to capture an app's OpenGL calls and replay them. You can even
>> replay a trace made on Windows in Linux. Doing that could help
>> determine if the artifacts are on Windows only, or on Linux too, for
>> example.
>>
>> Other than that, it's a matter of debugging with visual studio or
>> whatever tools you have. Admittedly, it could be big task if one
>> doesn't have experience with Mesa/gallium.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On 01/13/2016 10:16 AM, Jared Conway wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian, I think the info you've provided has been helpful.
>>
>> What would normal course of action be to do the graphics
>> debugging with
>> an open source? I'm not on the dev side here but rather on the
>> applications side, so I'm interested in giving them info on how
>> they can
>> look into this further.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Brian Paul <brianp at vmware.com
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, llvmpipe should provide much better performance than
>> the MS
>> software driver. But llvmpipe in a Windows guest isn't a
>> configuration that anyone really tests (including VMware),
>> AFAIK.
>>
>> Sounds like solidworks is testing the OpenGL driver in some
>> way
>> during installation after all. The only hope of diagnosing
>> that
>> would probably be with 'apitrace' (on github). But it might
>> be
>> tricky to do.
>>
>> As for the rendering artifacts, it would require some general
>> debugging effort to narrow it down.
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't help much more than that. I don't have
>> any spare
>> time and the higher-ups would probably frown on me spending
>> time on
>> a competing platform.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>> On 01/13/2016 09:46 AM, Jared Conway wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian, thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> We are using the mesa driver because our understanding
>> was that
>> it would
>> provide better performance than a standard software
>> opengl
>> driver for
>> the amazon t2 systems that we have the driver installed
>> on.
>>
>> Regarding the apps, the behaviors we have seen:
>> 1. solidworks, stalls at around 75% during installation
>> with this
>> driver. removing it, install goes through without
>> issue. when
>> the driver
>> is installed, you are able to open a model but then the
>> app will
>> crash
>> after several rotations of a model. without the driver,
>> the app
>> works
>> fine, just slow.
>> 2. solidedge, install is ok if i remember correctly.
>> but with
>> the driver
>> installed, graphics window generally has artifacts that
>> remain
>> and when
>> clicking tabs in the application, they do not highlight
>> unless
>> the whole
>> app is moved around on the screen.
>>
>> Let me know if that adds more clarity to the situation
>> and if
>> you have
>> any suggestions. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jared Conway | Product Manager | 650.918.0324
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>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Paul
>> <brianp at vmware.com <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>>
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>
>> <mailto:brianp at vmware.com <mailto:brianp at vmware.com>>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> According to the screenshot, you're using the
>> llvmpipe
>> driver on
>> Windows. The Mesa version is 10.something (you'd
>> have to
>> click on
>> the "See details..." link to get the specific
>> version.)
>>
>> The first question is, why are you using Mesa
>> instead of a
>> regular
>> GPU driver? What kind of GPU do you have?
>>
>> Your original question/problem was:
>>
>> "Has anyone used the mesa drivers with CAD apps
>> like solid
>> edge or
>> solidworks? We have been using them and find that
>> the apps
>> don't
>> install or have issues displaying graphics
>> properly."
>>
>> I guess I'd need more details. When an app doesn't
>> install, what
>> exactly is the installer complaining about? Some
>> CAD apps
>> refuse to
>> run with "non-certified" OpenGL drivers. But
>> that's usually an
>> issue when the app is started, not at install time.
>>
>> As for display problems, again, what exactly is
>> the issue?
>> A few
>> months ago, I fixed a few issues related to
>> drawing long
>> GL_LINE_LOOP primitives and Roland recently fixed
>> some
>> issues with
>> glEdgeFlag in llvmpipe that fixes at least one CAD
>> app
>> (Spazio3D).
>> I don't know of any other outstanding llvmpipe
>> rendering
>> issues. If
>> something is mis-rendered, perhaps you can file a
>> Mesa bug
>> report
>> with as much detail as possible.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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