[Openicc] openicc Digest, Vol 24, Issue 21

Shahiduzzaman shahid21st at gmail.com
Sun Mar 30 19:55:47 PDT 2008


Hi Kai

I discussed with you in IRC (nick: maveriick) about the ICC support
for HDR images. Form that discussion what I can understand that
extending the lcms CMM is the preferred and straightforward way to go
rather than CTL<->ICC conversion. But from the following discussion it
seems there are certain issues in following that approach. So what's
your current thinking, going into CTL<->ICC conversion way? As I am
writing my application now, it would certainly help.

Shahid

On 3/27/08, openicc-request at lists.freedesktop.org
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>    1. ICC support for HDR Images (Kai-Uwe Behrmann)
>    2. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Cyrille Berger)
>    3. Re: Fwd: You are invited to take part in The Google       Summer of
>       Code(tm) 2008 (Cyrille Berger)
>    4. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Boudewijn Rempt)
>    5. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Kai-Uwe Behrmann)
>    6. Re: Fwd: You are invited to take part in The Google       Summer of
>       Code(tm) 2008 (Graeme Gill)
>    7. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Cyrille Berger)
>    8. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Bob Friesenhahn)
>    9. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Kai-Uwe Behrmann)
>   10. Re: ICC support for HDR Images (Bob Friesenhahn)
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>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Message: 1
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:32:15 +0100 (CET)
>  From: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Subject: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0803260906440.6922 at sirius.rasena>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>  We have the above GSoC project idea.
>  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIccForGoogleSoC2008
>  In the old text stands something about buiding a convertor between CTL <->
>  ICC formats.
>
>  Given the distribution problems with CTL, would we stay on this route?
>  I think SampleICC has something similiar even not a programmable language.
>  It seems to be based on the floating point elements proposed for the ICC
>  specification.
>
>  kind regards
>  Kai-Uwe Behrmann
>  --
>  developing for colour management
>  www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 2
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:03:00 +0100
>  From: Cyrille Berger <cberger at cberger.net>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <200803261003.00449.cberger at cberger.net>
>  Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>  Hi,
>
>  On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  > We have the above GSoC project idea.
>  > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIccForGoogleSoC2008
>  > In the old text stands something about buiding a convertor between CTL <->
>  > ICC formats.
>  >
>  > Given the distribution problems with CTL, would we stay on this route?
>  Since I started OpenCTL [1] to solve that issue. I do think that an ICC to CTL
>  conversion is still something interesting. I also started to write some sort
>  of CTL profiles (you can see an exemple here [2])
>
>  > I think SampleICC has something similiar even not a programmable language.
>  > It seems to be based on the floating point elements proposed for the ICC
>  > specification.
>
>  Since SampleICC has a 4-clauses BSD licence, it has licence issue with GPL
>  programs.
>
>  [1] http://www.openctl.org
>  [2]
>  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/koffice/krita/colorspaces/xyz_float_hdr.ctl/xyzaf32.ctlp?revision=789697&view=markup
>
>  --
>  Cyrille Berger
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 3
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:04:06 +0100
>  From: Cyrille Berger <cberger at cberger.net>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] Fwd: You are invited to take part in The Google
>         Summer of Code(tm) 2008
>  To: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <200803261004.06445.cberger at cberger.net>
>  Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>  On Tuesday 25 March 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  > We have not explicitely planed. Nethertheless I wrote a blog entry:
>  > http://www.behrmann.name/wind/docs/gsoc_2008.03.25.html
>  > for spreading.
>
>  I also wonder, does anyone knows if there are course in university about color
>  management ? It could be interesting to reach students that way.
>
>  --
>  Cyrille Berger
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 4
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:36:54 +0100 (CET)
>  From: Boudewijn Rempt <boud at valdyas.org>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803260936180.15903 at calcifer.valdyas.org>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>  On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>
>  > We have the above GSoC project idea.
>  > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIccForGoogleSoC2008
>  > In the old text stands something about buiding a convertor between CTL <->
>  > ICC formats.
>  >
>  > Given the distribution problems with CTL, would we stay on this route?
>  > I think SampleICC has something similiar even not a programmable language.
>  > It seems to be based on the floating point elements proposed for the ICC
>  > specification.
>
>  Well, Cyrille started working on OpenCTL recently -- though I'm not sure
>  how advanced that is at the moment.
>
>  Boudewijn
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 5
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:57:42 +0100 (CET)
>  From: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: Cyrille Berger <cberger at cberger.net>
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0803261028210.6922 at sirius.rasena>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>  Am 26.03.08, 10:03 +0100 schrieb Cyrille Berger:
>  > On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  > > We have the above GSoC project idea.
>  > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIccForGoogleSoC2008
>  > > In the old text stands something about buiding a convertor between CTL <->
>  > > ICC formats.
>  > >
>  > > Given the distribution problems with CTL, would we stay on this route?
>  > Since I started OpenCTL [1] to solve that issue. I do think that an ICC to CTL
>  > conversion is still something interesting. I also started to write some sort
>  > of CTL profiles (you can see an exemple here [2])
>
>  Ok, so we continue with this suggestion.
>
>  > > I think SampleICC has something similiar even not a programmable language.
>  > > It seems to be based on the floating point elements proposed for the ICC
>  > > specification.
>  >
>  > Since SampleICC has a 4-clauses BSD licence, it has licence issue with GPL
>  > programs.
>
>  Is this something stated officially? My guess was it is basically a 4
>  clause BSD. Cant it still be linked in as library?
>
>  > [1] http://www.openctl.org
>  > [2]
>  > http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/koffice/krita/colorspaces/xyz_float_hdr.ctl/xyzaf32.ctlp?revision=789697&view=markup
>
>  kind regards
>  Kai-Uwe Behrmann
>  --
>  developing for colour management
>  www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 6
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:13:55 +1100
>  From: Graeme Gill <graeme at argyllcms.com>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] Fwd: You are invited to take part in The Google
>         Summer of Code(tm) 2008
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <47EA21E3.7040506 at argyllcms.com>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>  Cyrille Berger wrote:
>
>  > I also wonder, does anyone knows if there are course in university about color
>  > management ? It could be interesting to reach students that way.
>
>  There are several universities that have degree and Ph.D. courses on Color Sciences.
>  See <http://mcsl.rit.edu/> for an example.
>
>  Graeme Gill.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 7
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:46:13 +0100
>  From: Cyrille Berger <cberger at cberger.net>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <200803261246.13375.cberger at cberger.net>
>  Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>  On Wednesday 26 March 2008, you wrote:
>  > > > I think SampleICC has something similiar even not a programmable
>  > > > language. It seems to be based on the floating point elements proposed
>  > > > for the ICC specification.
>  > >
>  > > Since SampleICC has a 4-clauses BSD licence, it has licence issue with
>  > > GPL programs.
>  >
>  > Is this something stated officially? My guess was it is basically a 4
>  > clause BSD. Cant it still be linked in as library?
>
>  See: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD
>  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OriginalBSD
>
>  And definition of compatibility by FSF:
>  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhatIsCompatible
>
>  And about linking :
>  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL
>
>  --
>  Cyrille Berger
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 8
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:05:59 -0500 (CDT)
>  From: Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803260923460.975 at freddy.simplesystems.org>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>  On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  >> Since SampleICC has a 4-clauses BSD licence, it has licence issue with GPL
>  >> programs.
>  >
>  > Is this something stated officially? My guess was it is basically a 4
>  > clause BSD. Cant it still be linked in as library?
>
>  The license issue is a rather small one with a trivial work-around
>  (i.e. compliance).  See
>  "http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#OriginalBSD" and
>  "http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html".  Interestingly, even though
>  the FSF complains about the "advertising clause", there are somewhat
>  similar clauses in GPL.
>
>  Bob
>  ======================================
>  Bob Friesenhahn
>  bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/
>  GraphicsMagick Maintainer,    http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 9
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:37:51 +0100 (CET)
>  From: Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us>
>  Cc: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0803261625080.6922 at sirius.rasena>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>  Am 26.03.08, 10:05 -0500 schrieb Bob Friesenhahn:
>  > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  > > > Since SampleICC has a 4-clauses BSD licence, it has licence issue
>  > > > with GPL
>  > > > programs.
>  > >
>  > > Is this something stated officially? My guess was it is basically a 4
>  > > clause BSD. Cant it still be linked in as library?
>  >
>  > The license issue is a rather small one with a trivial work-around (i.e.
>  > compliance).  See
>  > "http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#OriginalBSD" and
>  > "http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html".  Interestingly, even though the FSF
>  > complains about the "advertising clause", there are somewhat similar clauses
>  > in GPL.
>
>  Well, it's not so comfortable to have a CMM forcing Oyranos to mention
>  this one, while Oyranos itself is liberal about that.
>
>  So other options might fit better.
>
>  kind regards
>  Kai-Uwe Behrmann
>  --
>  developing for colour management
>  www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Message: 10
>  Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:41:04 -0500 (CDT)
>  From: Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us>
>  Subject: Re: [Openicc] ICC support for HDR Images
>  To: OpenICC Liste <openicc at lists.freedesktop.org>
>  Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803261139260.975 at freddy.simplesystems.org>
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>  On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
>  > Well, it's not so comfortable to have a CMM forcing Oyranos to mention
>  > this one, while Oyranos itself is liberal about that.
>
>  Yes, the situation is much better for an application than for a
>  library.
>
>  > So other options might fit better.
>
>  The most obvious option is to apply pressure to get the license
>  changed on the existing library.
>
>  Bob
>  ======================================
>  Bob Friesenhahn
>  bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/
>  GraphicsMagick Maintainer,    http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/
>
>
>
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