[Openicc] shared-color-profiles issues [was: new/old ICC profile package]

[Jan-Peter Homann]

Hello Kai-Uwe and Richard,
Thanks for your efforts for making ICC-technology and sets of standard 
ICC-profiles part of LINUX distributions.
I agree with Kai-Uwe, that it is necessary for the user to get an 
information vaild information, where the profiles have been originated.

I will start at the openICC wiki a page about profile packages, standard 
characterization-data for CMYK-profiles and licence issues. Please feel 
free to correct me, as i´m not a developer nor and open source licence 
specialist.

One question;
Is there any technical issue which have to be solved to synchronize the 
activitities of Oyranos and "share/color/profiles" ?

best regards
Jan-Peter

Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote:
> Am 30.08.10, 22:04 +0100 schrieb Richard Hughes:
>> On 30 August 2010 21:41, Kai-Uwe Behrmann <ku.b at gmx.de> wrote:
>>> However the Argyll_V1.1.0_src.zip package downloaded from 
>>> www.argyllcms.com
>>> does not contain any ICC profile.
>>
>> Look in ref/*.icc
>
> Its *.icm, I found now 3.
>
>>> Moreover I doubt that Argyll writes 'lcms'
>>> inside the profile as Creator.
>>
>> Sure, I rencoded the profile (it's a gamut space, so no data was
>> changed) to get more user-friendly strings in the GCM UI. Maybe that
>> should be added to the README.
>
> So, the lcms created profiles are in fact not from Argyll. You just 
> claim the colorimetric oinformation is from there. The 3 original 
> Argyll ones are no more identical to the packaged ones.
>
> Now I checked, and the profiles in the Oyranos folder are modified as 
> well. Please do not refere to them as from the Oyranos project. They 
> are not. Most software will handle these profile sets as different. So 
> they are technical not the same.
>
>>> As well the Argyll LICENSE file is incomplete.
>>
>> Howso? Are you sure?
>
> The file mentions just 3 profiles. But there are more.
>
>>>> I don't target this just at Fedora, it's already used by Suse and
>>>> Novell, and it's intended as a general purpose project. At one point
>>>> Ubuntu was going to ship this too; I'm not sure if they actually did
>>>> or not.
>>>
>>> Some profiles appear to be distributed under GPL. Users are 
>>> embedding these
>>> ICC profiles into their own images. Thats a issue for them.
>>
>> Are you sure that's true? Isn't this the same as a GPL font being
>> included in a non-GPL document? I can certainly clarify this with Red
>> Hat Legal if this is required. Is it possible to release an JPEG
>> _image_ under the GPL? Seems that images and data files are content,
>> and don't exactly make sense when there is no "source code" to
>> compile.
>
> There is the extension of GPL over derived work.
>
>> Red Hat Legal were further unsure if ICC profiles were even
>> copyrightable at all, as they are just data files with co-ordinate
>> data encoded in them.
>
> You can search the OpenICC list for discussions about that topic.
>
>>> It would be good for Fedora to correct that situation. Of course 
>>> Oyranos
>>> shall not require the shared-color-profiles package in its current form
>>> during installation.
>>
>> That's completely up to you. It's likely shared-color-profiles is
>> already installed on your target computer, so it seems like a shame
>> not to.
>
> The other way around. I can only require that Oyranos does not ask its 
> users to accidentially install the shared-color-profiles package until 
> its clean.
>
>
> These profiles have uncertain sources and are altered without notion, 
> they are not a solid reference for compositing and exchange.
>
>
> kind regards
> Kai-Uwe Behrmann


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