[Openicc] GoSoC 2011: CPD and target printing (Michael Sweet)

edmund ronald edmundronald at gmail.com
Sat May 14 16:54:10 PDT 2011

Richard -

 I don't think Chris or Mike care about *you* - or about me, or about Scott
or... or... they care about some hypothetical user.
 The interesting thing is that Chris and zillions of other Apple users are
making Adobe very rich, and Adobe lives off apps which have a VERY steep
learning curve. In other words, we have a multi-billion dollar corp who is
the real elephant in this room.


On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Alastair M. Robinson <
blackfive at fakenhamweb.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
> On 14/05/11 23:28, Chris Murphy wrote:
>  Ridiculous conjecture and unsupportable in fact. There is no such thing
>> now in any print dialog on any platform,
> Just because operating systems don't provide such controls as standard
> doesn't mean they don't exist.
> Exhibit A:
> http://www.normankoren.com/Epson_2200_preferences_ColorMgmt.gif
> Exhibit B:  The PPD shipped with EFI Fiery servers allows the printing of
> CMYK with calibration only, or raw CMYK bypassing the calibration.
>  A disable ICC transform option in a print dialog can only mean disabled in
>> the context of the print pipeline,
>> it cannot ensure upstream conversions have not occurred.
> Semantics - of course the print dialog can't dictate what an application
> does upstream, but on the other hand what business does an application have
> applying ICC transforms without being asked to?  Is that really going to be
> a common enough occurrence to cause an issue?  The only place I can see it
> being a problem is if an application only "speaks" one colourspace and the
> user's trying to print using another.
>  We need the latter as well or the test chart is questionable (or useless).
>> An option in a print dialog is inadequate.
>> Printing test charts is a special use case, and should have a known
>> reliable application specific to the task that
>> uses a published and tested API that anyone else can use as well.
> Printing testcharts is indeed a special case, and an application
> specifically for printing testcharts would be a great idea.  But has anyone
> volunteered to write and maintain one?  And even if one existed, do I really
> have to use a specialist program if I want to print pre-targetted data?  (I
> do that on a daily basis, by the way - it's not just a hypothetical
> question.)  Note, further, that I can print pre-targeted data *now*, from
> any software that supports the appropriate colourspace, so losing that
> capability would be a major regression for me.
> All the best
> --
> Alastair M. Robinson
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