[Openicc] Assuring that all CUPS filter... Our color management community

[Kai-Uwe Behrmann]

Am 02.02.12, 17:14 +0100 schrieb Jan-Peter Homann:
> Hello all together,
> Just some personals feedback after coming back from the ICC meeting.
> Reading some of the discussion in the OpenICC list, I feel not comfortable 
> with the discussion culture at OpenICC.

Thanks for bringing that up here. I waited some time to get out of the 
heat in this thread. My answers below are meant as from a OpenICC member.

> We all as the color management community need the work, both Kai-Uwe and 
> Richard are doing. And we all need the OpenICC list as a medium to discuss 
> both with Kai-Uwe and Richard the FLOSS color management developments.
>
> My proposal for calming down the discussion:
>
> 1) No more general discussion about Oyranos or colord g-c-m
> Both projects have their place in the LINUX color management community and it 
> make no sense to have general discussions, like e.g. saying project A is bad 
> hack or project B is much too ambitious for the general user.

To remain precise, no one said that one of the CMS is completely useless. 
Critique points about the CUPS hooks where formulated in reponse to 
certain design decissions, which affect us as OpenICC group. Of course 
there are more critique points.

> Let the users decide, what they use in daily practice.
>
> Looking at all the color management problems we have currently under Windows 
> or Mac OS X with the absence of coordination for color management in 
> applications, on OS Level and driver level, we will probably see cases, where 
> users have real world problems with e.g.  g-c-m / colord or Oyranos. But 
> than, we should focus on understanding and solving these real world problems.

Agreed.

> Kai Uwe:
> Could you agree not to write further statements about colord / g-c-m on the 
> OpenICC list and just focus on the developments of your personal preferred 
> color management projects ?

I see my role in large parts as OpenICC member and contributor.
As such I, like anyone else, have the right to speak up here. If there are 
bugs, we can name and can discuss them. The origin of critique should 
play no role here as we are open and welcoming to critique comming from 
printing, movie experts and users, osX, Windows and Android people and 
certainly from all flavours of Linux desktop environments and related 
projects as long as they are based on founded assertions.

> Richard:
> Would you still share your experiences and developments of colord and g-c-m 
> on the OpenICC list, if we all are coming back to a more positive and relaxed 
> style of dicussion ?

In my eyes the way to get back to a friendly and welcoming atmosphere goes 
over accepting single standard measures and fairness.

To put it in perspective, it can not be that one persons says a certain 
project needs fixing and spreads false assertions about that project, but 
declares well founded citique related to his own colour project as 
personal attack. That is clearly double standard measurement and thus 
inacceptable for a expert group like OpenICC.

> Looking forward
> Jan-Peter

kind regards
Kai-Uwe
-- 
OpenICC member