[poppler] Image optimization

[Carl Worth]

On Thu, 19 May 2005 23:02:35 +0200, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Dijous 19 Maig 2005 22:49, vàreu escriure:
> > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:47:01PM +0200, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > Georgeous, can this be applied to the splash outputdev too?
> >
> > I think it might be better to leave the splash outputdev as is, only
> > changing it is as necessary. This lets us keep a stable reference and
> > encourages people to fix/use the cairo backend.

I'm a little confused. If the fix is not related to cairo, yet the fix
helps only the cairo backend, then that suggests there is an
abstraction problem somewhere in poppler, (eg. two copies of the same
code where there should be one).

Now, if there are backend-specific fixes that help one poppler backend
outpace another, then there's not much that can be done to prevent
that.

> I disagree, keep for sure that if ever i get myself to use poppler for future 
> kpdf versions i'm not going to ask kde people to install cairo if it is not 
> absolutely necessary. And for now i don't see any reason more than "we are 
> uber cool and use the buzzworder cairo". No offense to cairo developers, it's 
> a cool technology but it's a bit much to ask people to install cairo instead 
> of using splash when both have a similar performance.

I'm certainly not offended. I wouldn't ever encourage someone to
switch to cairo unless there were a quality or performance benefit
they could benefit from, or if there's some other direct cairo
benefit, (eg. instant support for multiple backends or something).

And I know that in many situations, cairo just isn't there yet on the
performance front, (but we're planning to put a lot of effort into
cairo performance particularly over the next month or two).

>                                                       Optimizing only cairo 
> and not splash is just another way of beign more gnomeish than kdeish.

I wouldn't argue for restricting a fix to the cairo backend if it
applied just as well to the splash backend, (see comment above on the
broken abstraction).

But I do have to say that I don't understand your reference to gnome
and kde in this context. Has something made made you think that cairo
is more directly associated with gnome than kde? And what can I do to
help change that? That's an impression I certainly don't want anyone
to be left with. I'd like cairo to be usable by any desktop
environment.

-Carl
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