[pulseaudio-discuss] [alsa-devel] PulseAudio and softvol

David Henningsson david.henningsson at canonical.com
Wed May 15 04:03:16 PDT 2013

On 05/15/2013 12:53 PM, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> Date 15.5.2013 12:48, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> At Wed, 15 May 2013 12:26:51 +0200,
>> Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
>>> Date 15.5.2013 11:55, Arun Raghavan wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> A number of users have intermittently(?) been hitting a crash in
>>>> alsa-lib 1.0.27 [1, 2] related to the softvol plugin. I'm not able to
>>>> reproduce this reliably, so can't find an easy way to debug/fix.
>>> The problem is that the offsets are not in sync in this case [1]:
>>> src_offset = 38560
>>> dst_offset = 38568
>>> frames = 16374
>>> Could you reproduce this bug in any way? At least snd_pcm_dump() before
>>> the failing snd_pcm_mmap_commit() call might help to determine what was
>>> the status before the assert() was entered.
>> Yep.  And this path is actually with volume 0dB, that is, a simply
>> passthrough in softvol.  Thus the bug may hit essentially any
>> plugins, not specifically softvol.
>>>> However, this raises a tangential question - why do we need softvol to
>>>> be plugged for 'front' at all? David explained to me that this is to
>>>> guarantee the existence of a PCM control. Perhaps I don't fully
>>>> understand this, because I'm unconvinced by the reason. Could someone
>>>> explain/refute?
>>>> This is especially bad for us, from PulseAudio's perspective, because we
>>>> aren't getting a zero-copy path.
>>> If the softvol is set to 0dB (no attenuation or gain), then the ring
>>> buffer pointers are moved without any sample processing, so the
>>> zero-copy functionality is kept.
>> Yeah, a sort of.  The mmap is cleared in the slave PCM, so actually
>> there will be copy operations in underlying layers even though softvol
>> itself does zero copy.
>> Actually it makes no sense to keep softvol for PA, but the problem is
>> always the regression.  There are certainly users without PA, which
>> might still rely on the softvol for such hardware without the amp
>> control.
>> Maybe We can add some flag to indicate whether to handle softvol or
>> not, e.g. defaults.pcm.skip_softvol, and let PA set this in its config
>> space.  Setting a config item itself would break anything, so it'll
>> still work with old alsa-lib (but with softvol).
> We have already SND_PCM_NO_SOFTVOL open mode for this purpose, so I
> wonder, why PA does not use it..

The problem is knowing whether PCM is a softvol or not. In some cases, 
we need to set PCM to control hardware volume.

Maybe, if we could figure this out somehow, we could ignore the PCM 
mixer control (or possibly set it to zero) in case PCM is a softvol,
and actually use it if PCM is not a softvol.

It does not look like this is currently possible from the simple mixer 
interface, but I might be missing something?

David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd.

More information about the pulseaudio-discuss mailing list