[systemd-devel] question

[Mathieu Bridon]

On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 10:50 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> Am 14.09.2011 10:11, schrieb "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson":
> >> please open a bugreport - maybe they would hear if i am not would be the
> >> only person who is unhappy about what was done with F15 but all others
> >> out there are silent and hoping for wonders
> > 
> > This is rather interesting the person that has been the nosiest the most about systemd breaking his system,
> > disrupting his workflow and what not, is now advocating that we potentially disrupt all deployments by bringing in
> > a newer release of systemd which means bringing in updates to surrounding components as well to accommodating the
> > changes that have been made not only in systemd but the surrounding components so as well.
> 
> what do you exactyl not understand here?
> 
> F15 was released with a unfinished systemd with bad usabilty
> like "systemclt" is quiet and i want it get finished where it
> was released: F15

Fedora release cycle is time-based (i.e "release roughly every 6
months"), not feature-based (i.e "release when it's done").

Things not being quite complete until next release will happen in such a
release cycle.

If you can't accept that then simply don't use a distribution with such
a cycle.

> > How about you actually for once provide a migrated legacy sysv init script to a native systemd unit in a bug report
> > in bugzilla instead of demanding one from the maintainer or help maintainers updating documentation surrounding
> > their component or bring a patch upstream that fixes the brokenness you seem to be experiencing.
> 
> mhh if i look to the mysqld-socket discussion this makes no sense and is
> wasted work as long policies forbid migration in F15, forbid socket
> activation for most services and so on

If you had read the minutes from the latest FESCo meeting, you would
know that socket activation is now allowed:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2011-09-12-17.00.log.html#l-465

> > If you are incabable of doing the above I suggest you stop wasting people times with this noise
> 
> ah if you are not develop this which are unfinsihed pushed to users you
> have to be quite? nice!

You don't have to be quiet, but you have to be civil and understand a
few concepts about the product you are using (short time-based cycle,
community QA, etc...)

At least, when you identify an issue, complain if you want, but
accompany that with a patch.

Or just use something else, no one is forcing you to use Fedora and
systemd.

[Note: I'm not a systemd developer, only an enthusiastic user who went
to the trouble of having systemd on EL6 because we like it so much at
$dayjob. Thank you systemd developers, and thank you Johann for leading
the migration effort in Fedora 16]


-- 
Mathieu