[systemd-devel] One of my fundamental problems with systemd...

[Michael H. Warfield]

On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 22:05 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield <mhw at wittsend.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
> > > >
> > > > And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
> > > > DON'T need yet another obscure command to dig out errors that should
> > > > have been presented in the first place.
> > 
> > > fine, be that way.
> 
> > > Please stop using systemd. You're obviously not interested in actually
> > > talking on a normal level to developers that can, and may actually
> > > want to help you.
> 
> Obviously, if I am to maintain an environment based on these
> distributions, that is impossible.  Fedora has made it abjectly
> impossible to dispose of systemd an to even drop back to upstart at this
> point.  That is not an option.

> > Excuse me?  I'm a kernel maintainer and a member of the Samba team.  I
> > have dedicated almost 2 decades to promoting and developing several
> > dozen open source projects I will not enumerate here.

BTW...  Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...

Just for references, if there is any question as to who I am, please
check with Jeff Boerio <jeff.boerio at intel.com> or Bruce Monroe
<bruce.monroe at intel.com> on your CERT teams in case there's some
question about just who I am.  I think they can provide sufficient
references for me.

> > I'm willing to help but I'm extremely frustrated at this point.  When
> > things don't work and I can't drill down to the reason and people give
> > me platitudes I get frustrated.
> 
> > Would you like access to this container?  If you are on IPv6, I'll give
> > you immediate root shell access.  Send me and RSA key and I will send
> > you the FQDN and give you sudo access!  Then you can tell me!  IPv4
> > would take a little longer.  I've done this VMware and others.  I
> > believe in solving problems not making excuses for why it didn't work.
> 
> Hmmm...  I'll tell you what.  I'll even set up your very own LXC
> container running systemd at my colo facility (I have a rack at an ISP)
> so you have lots of bandwidth to play with.  I'll get it up and running
> and you can access it and tell me what causes the errors that force me
> to go through those manual steps.  I'll provide you with a complete
> development and test bed to make this work.  I'll work with you.  All in
> my infrastructure and my resources.  All I want is for this to work so I
> can move beyond Fedora 15.  How does that sound?  I'm at your disposal.
> 
> > > Auke
> 
> Regards,
> Mike

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