[systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

[Tom Gundersen]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:44 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
<johannbg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 09/22/2014 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 22.09.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
>> On 09/22/2014 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 13:28 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
>>>> On 09/22/2014 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>>>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 01:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
>>>>>> The reason for increased log entries in the journal is that more
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> are happening now since this is what happening when a job is run.
>
>>>>> that don't change the fact that a user not acting as
>>>>> systemd-developer and not debugging his system don't
>>>>> need that flood
>
>>>> I guess we have different meaning of message flood
>
>>> again: we talk about rsyslog, like it or not
>
>>
>> Then file a bug report against rsyslog and provide a patch which fixes
>> the default log filtering in Fedora to your expectation but leave
>> systemd out of it.
>
> wow - in any other case the systemd developers saying that
> they don't workround things because problems has to be
> solved at the root-cause - practice what you preach and
> make the log-verbosility configureable!
>
>
> Serves no purpose whatsoever doing that.
>
>
> * rsyslog is *not* responsible for the message flood produced by systemd
>
>
> No but it is responsible for the filtering <-- of log messages.
>
> * systemd is the one producing it without prefixes
>
>
> This is simply untrue as "journalctl -o export" will show you.
>
> I suggest you stop blaming systemd for your own administrative incompetence
> and broken implementation of rsyslog and syslog-ng in Fedora

Please let's not stoop to this level of name-calling. I haven't
followed this debate in detail, so I don't know how this should be
solved, but it seems fair to say that Harald's experience is
suboptimal, so let's focus on making constructive suggestions for how
journald/rsyslog or the local/distro config could be improved, rather
than who is to blame.

Anyway, I think this is decidedly off-topic for this thread, so please
move this elsewhere.

Cheers,

Tom

> ( I tried to
> get it fixed before we defaulted to journal YES IT WAS BROKEN BEFORE AND
> STILL IS but was not allowed to do so thank those Red Hatters in the
> governing body's of Fedora ( FESCO/FPC ) for it's brokeness  ) and write an
> rsyslog template suited for your environment which will filter things to
> your liking and expectation or better yet complain to those FESCO/FPC
> members since they need to learn a hard lesson of accepting responsibility
> for their own actions in the distribution.
>
> You can find how to write an rsyslog template in the upstream rsyslog
> documentation using it's powerful filtering capabilities and by looking at
> for example the one spice-vdagentd /etc/rsyslog.d/spice-vdagentd.conf in
> Fedora.
>
> JBG
>
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