[systemd-devel] kdbus, udev and systemd in the initramfs

[Tom Gundersen]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg at jklm.no> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Michael Biebl <mbiebl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> something I was wondering regarding kdbus and udev.
>> If udev wants to drop the netlink transport and instead rely on kdbus,
>> would this mean, systemd becomes mandatory in the initramfs to setup
>> kdbus before udev is run?
>
> _If_ udev drops netlink entirely, then yes someone would need to set
> up kdbus. How this will all look has not been finally decided yet
> though.

Actually, the problem might not even be netlink (as you may not have
anything using libudev in your intrd), but then the problem will be
the custom udev control protocol which would surely also be swapped
out if netlink is.

>> Will it still be possible in the future to run udev  without systemd
>> in the initramfs?
>
> Maybe, but I, for one, don't see this as a long-term goal. Having the
> same software in the initrd as on the real system seems much more
> reasonable to me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom