[systemd-devel] Network Interface Names: solution for a desktop OS

Tue Apr 12 18:54:48 UTC 2016

Am 12.04.2016 um 20:37 schrieb Xen:
> Reindl Harald schreef op 12-04-16 11:24:
>
>>> Regular hardware should not suddenly appear out of nowhere, but I do not
>>> know about that Thunderbolt thing you mentioned
>>
>> that is nonsense
>>
>> * USB hardware is often *onboard* like SD-card slots on ProLiant
>>    machines down to the HP microserver
>> * touchpad is typically a internal USB device
>> * hotplug exists for SATA, SAS and many other interfaces
>>
>> "that Thunderbolt thing you mentioned"? please do your homework
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28interface%29
>>
>> not that i am a big fan of the "predictable" names but you appear
>> talking about things you have not much clue
>
> Then do it yourself.

what?

> If you know more about it. Someone has to take up the ball, right?

i did my homework

> Why should some average user like me know everything about a system they
> are designing just to say a few things on the topic of how utterly
> insane the current solution is?

maybe you did not realize it:

i am just a user like you but with technical understanding, the point is 
that you talk about things which you don't gasp in a way like you are 
the king

> Thunderbolt is a largely irrelevant technology from what it seems.

says who?

> Recent years have seen a proliferation of new technologies but most
> people don't even use them:
>
> * DisplayPort, the vast majority of computer users may not ever have
> used it.

tell that the 6 workstations i am responsible for

> * USB 3.0, I have two cases that have a front USB 3.0 port, while having
> motherboards that do not support them (I'm using eSATA, it is enough for
> me) - and another motherboard with 3.0 at the back but no support for a
> connector (I mean onboard).

it does not matter what is enough for you

> When I look back at my parents, they have not even used a computer. I
> grew up with the technology of the 80s / 90s. Now people are going crazy
> about 4k displays. My mother uses less than a 37" display. I actually
> mean 37cm. For a television, yes that small.

sad enough that you have no self-expierience
as i started prohramming i was 9 years old on a C64
frankly i used that thing until 1999

but what has this to do with the topic?

> There are people in the world that cannot afford food, but we are
> selling 4k displays that no one needs, and technology that goes with it
> to support that data that, in the end, therefore, no one needs either.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> Huge data, sure, it can use the technology, and maybe that is your
> clientele. But that also makes it clear that this is not about regular
> users, but probably only about server parks.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> So Thunderbolt can connect PCIe prior to booting, causing it to obtain a
> number on the PCI bus? See, I don't know the exact functioning of the
> technology from reading that Wikipedia page (and I did, thank you).
>
> If it does obtain a number on the PCI bus, it means disconnecting it
> might do what? Have these people been honest about what actually happens?
>
> For the most part, the more I learn the more I am astounded as to how
> bad this technology is.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> Well my apologies for not being as brilliant as I could be. I have been
> a loser in life lately.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> I would like to apologize to the entire human race ;-). I have let you
> down :p ;-). For real.
>
> In a certain sense yes You could say I have.
>
> Or myself, or you, doesn't matter. Anyway.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> The number of Thunderbolt devices is abysmally small and it is only
> going to be a success relatively speaking due to USB-C, which is also
> the reason USB 3 is going to be more of a sane thing in the end.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> I do not even need Full HD in my home. I still watch DVDs and many
> people don't have BluRay. I am happy with 720p, it is more than what I
> need actually for the stuff I do.

but what has this to do with the topic?

> If there is no provision to put Thunderbolt devices behind "regular"
> PCIe, and there probably won't be, what is going to happen to the
> biosdev naming scheme if such a device is removed? Did people think
> about that? Do bus numbers stay the same? What then, what else?

but what has this to do with the topic?

> Well my apologies for not having in-depth knowledge about these issues.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK about topics you start to talk about like you are the king

> But I was led to believe biosdev led to stability and I based my
> arguments on that, but it is not even stable in my own system.
>
> We were talking specifically about networking here.
>
> I do not know how many hotpluggable devices there are apart from USB,
> I'm sorry.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK about topics you start to talk about like you are the king

> It appears the standard provisions for "BCMA", "CCW" and a few other
> things including "hotplug slot index number".
>
> The USB hardware you mention is not going to appear out of nowhere.
>
> Stay focussed here.

BULLSHIT

the point is that devices can appear out of nowehere at any point in time

> SATA and SAS are not networking technologies.

how does that matter when you hang yourself on PCI numbers?

> Don't hold me responsible for the mess you (or other people) have created

i created nothing and just a user like yourself, i am just annyoed that 
somebody who even states that he has no deeper knowledge has such a 
large mouth

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