client side decorations

cat zixon65 at
Fri May 6 15:01:06 PDT 2011

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From: cat <zixon65 at>
Date: 2011/5/6
Subject: Re: client side decorations
To: Kristian Høgsberg <krh at>

2011/5/6 Kristian Høgsberg <krh at>

> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, cat <zixon65 at> wrote:
> >> "Window management policy" should also be client-side. I may not have
> been
> >> clear about that. The wayland compositer almost NEVER moves or raises or
> >> resizes a window. Clients do this in response to clicks or whatever.
> This
> >> would have made it TRIVIAL to implement Gimp the way they intended, as
> at no
> >> time would an image window raise above their toolbars, since they
> control
> >> both of them.
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't use wayland if thats the case, the kind of security risk this
> > creates is massive. you could have clients that refuse to cooerate and
> > always take up the entire screen, or worse, rendering your computer
> useless.
> > also I never like muti window apps like the gimp, or openoffice. they
> draw
> > your attention away from what your doing to rearrange these little
> windows,
> > and what ever you do don't close them or would could spend the next hour
> > trying to get them back. there sould always be central system for making
> > windows behave or they won't
> I don't know what window system you're currently using, but if you're
> using X, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace now, because it has all the same
> problems.

that key combination has been disabled in Xorg by default for a while, which
is extreamly annoying because X runs rather well without a config. also a
new problem is that programs that lock up like to take focus and the only
way to recover then is the magic sysrq keys. really I have just gone back to
using the power button. atleast that still cut off power after 4 seconds.

And you should go read my reply to Peng, because it applies to you too.
I like some of the suggestions that have been put forward. but Bill made
sound as though wayland clients should do everything by themselves. why then
use the compositor?

> Kristian
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