GH-Next Feature Update

Daniel Stone daniel at
Sun Mar 24 05:17:29 PDT 2013


On 24 March 2013 11:29, Scott Moreau <oreaus at> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Daniel Stone <daniel at>
> wrote:
> > On 24 March 2013 10:27, Scott Moreau <oreaus at> wrote:
> >> - Working xwayland titlebar buttons
> >
> > Did that patchset get submitted to the list for review? If not, will it
> be?
> No. These patches breaks many of the core goals of wayland/weston with
> DE-like features.
> <krh> weston isn't going to be a full DE, starting a new DE is
> specifically a non-goal of wayland
> <krh> and I've always said that fleshing out wl_shell will have to
> wait until we have at least one real DE to driver the work
> <krh> otherwise it's all just going to be guesswork
> So we're going to be doing a lot of guessing. As it turns out, the
> best way to have a good idea is to have a lot of ideas. So we're going
> to try and guess what some of the better ideas might be.

I definitely don't see it that way, and without being able to speak for
Kristian, I daresay he doesn't either.  There's a big gap between not
wanting to start a competitor to GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, XFCE, LXDE and
the myriad other environments, and adding titlebar buttons to XWayland.
 The example clients shipped with Weston have titlebar buttons, so I think
it's fairly safe to say that a) extending the same support to X11 clients
is a useful goal, and b) including titlebar buttons is clearly not a
non-goal for Weston.

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