GH-Next Feature Update

Scott Moreau oreaus at
Sun Mar 24 12:10:52 PDT 2013

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Daniel Stone <daniel at> wrote:
> Hi,
> On 24 March 2013 11:29, Scott Moreau <oreaus at> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Daniel Stone <daniel at>
>> wrote:
>> > On 24 March 2013 10:27, Scott Moreau <oreaus at> wrote:
>> >> - Working xwayland titlebar buttons
>> >
>> > Did that patchset get submitted to the list for review? If not, will it
>> > be?
>> No. These patches breaks many of the core goals of wayland/weston with
>> DE-like features.
>> <krh> weston isn't going to be a full DE, starting a new DE is
>> specifically a non-goal of wayland
>> <krh> and I've always said that fleshing out wl_shell will have to
>> wait until we have at least one real DE to driver the work
>> <krh> otherwise it's all just going to be guesswork
>> So we're going to be doing a lot of guessing. As it turns out, the
>> best way to have a good idea is to have a lot of ideas. So we're going
>> to try and guess what some of the better ideas might be.
> I definitely don't see it that way, and without being able to speak for
> Kristian, I daresay he doesn't either.  There's a big gap between not
> wanting to start a competitor to GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, XFCE, LXDE and
> the myriad other environments, and adding titlebar buttons to XWayland.  The
> example clients shipped with Weston have titlebar buttons, so I think it's
> fairly safe to say that a) extending the same support to X11 clients is a
> useful goal, and b) including titlebar buttons is clearly not a non-goal for
> Weston.
> Cheers,
> Daniel

Yea, these are seemingly basic features - titlebar buttons and
resizing top/left fixed. However I think X will be around for a long
time and xwayland should get a lot more attention. It's been
barely-unusable for far too long now. Also, reviewing my own code
thinking about everything Kristian has told me, he doesn't want these
hacky patches at all. I'm pretty sure the code horribly far less than
acceptable. Anyone is welcome to grab patches from gh and discuss them
or apply them wherever. I myself am not going to waste my time and
effort as I have done for the past several months, trying to get even
the simplest things pushed upstream. So even if these patches were
acceptable, I don't have plans to put forth a large amount of effort
to see them upstream. If you want the code, great. It's FOSS, grab it.
The general point here is, I don't really plan on going to be making
special time to bug upstream anymore because my efforts so far have
been shunned, shot down, trolled and ultimately,
less-than-appreciated. It's been a year, now I've had enough of the

I would like to thank Community member Martin Minarik for putting
forth the original effort with his titlebar button implementation, on
which xwm buttons are based. Thanks min2 for all your work and
continued contributions.



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