Flathub, initial proposal

[Owen Taylor]

I think in any context it's probably good to start off with some estimates of what the requirements are; data points that one could use:

 - How much disk space do the nightly builds of gimp (etc.) take up? How much does that increase per day?
 - How much disk space does build.gnome.org use for its git mirrors of all modules it builds (checked - 31G)

The bottleneck on GNOME infrastructure is most specifically backup - we use space on a file server from Fedora to do our backup - any signficant expansion of that set would need to be negotiated with Fedora.

Beyond the prototyping stage "flathub" is probably better off not relying on traditional "mirror tree of files" for backup, but either setting up mirroring as part of the application infrastructure or using a filesystem with built-in replication. 

- Owen


----- Original Message -----
> On fre, 2016-09-23 at 21:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Robert McQueen
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > first of all, apologies for taking forever to respond here, I've been
> > busy with holidays, work and life as they say.
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 30/08/16 15:20, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I imagine a web service that you create an account on, somewhat
> > > > similar
> > > > to say github or the ubuntu PPA service. Your account gets access
> > > > to a
> > > > per-user ostree repository, and you can create projects and
> > > > upload
> > > > builder json manifests for them. These get automatically build on
> > > > several arches and you can pull the builds for testing. Once the
> > > > build
> > > > is working you can click a button to push them to a stable
> > > > repository
> > > > that you can tell your users to pull from.
> > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > One very important issue is where to host this initially. I want
> > > > to
> > > > bring this up with the Gnome Foundation as a start, but we may
> > > > also
> > > > want to talk to e.g. Digital Ocean for hosting. They seem to be
> > > > sponsoring a lot of free software stuff.
> > > Freedesktop.org itself has some pretty large boxes donated by the
> > > likes
> > > of HP, Intel and Google, hosted for free with plentiful bandwidth
> > > from
> > > Portland State Uni. It might be worth also chatting with the fd.o
> > > sysadmin folks (CC'd Tollef) to see if that might be a worthwhile
> > > angle
> > > to pursue.
> > We have a bunch of free CPU we can spend on building, but I suspect
> > we'll quickly run into limitations on storage.  We do have some
> > hundreds
> > of gigs free, but once people start building lots of paks, we need
> > somewhere to store them.  It'll also require somebody to champion the
> > project, I'm happy to get a VM running with resources, but it needs
> > somebody to write and maintain the service.
> 
> I think we can handle getting people to do the work, but I agree on
> storage. Its gonna use a lot. How does this look on the gnome
> infrastructure side? Do we have diskspace there?
> 
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