Menu spec update (summary; closure?)

Rodney Dawes dobey at
Tue Mar 28 00:48:06 EEST 2006

I'd have to say that I sort of agree with you both here. While fixing it
so that things are consistent, and the menu spec is a Good Spec (TM), I
don't think it's appropriate to try and (ab)use the menu spec, for the
purposes of wanting to later get such a Desktop LSB spec written which
culminates the efforts of all the different fd.o specifications, and
potentially other specifications.

We should stop arguing about it, and just get the Desktop LSB
specification drafted and in motion. Arguing over whether something
should go into the menu spec because you believe it is a good spec,
and you think it should be a part of a larger specification later,
isn't going to get that specification written, or the menu spec even
included in it. We should just get it done, and make the menu spec a
part of it from the start. I see no reason to not get it started now.

It would solve the issues you keep bringing up in this thread, among
many others.

-- dobey

On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 10:18 -0600, Jeremy White wrote:
> > Sorry, I should have been clearer here. My point was not 'this is the
> > users problem', but that it is a wider problem than can be solved in
> > the menu spec, and is - IMO - not a problem that should be solved in
> > several places. The right solution would be a distro that allows
> > non-distro packages to remain sane. The menu spec can offer at best a
> > partial solution, and IMO attempting to fix what is essentially a
> > package-management problem ("you didn't install this via our system,
> > therefore random things will happen to it") in a spec concerning a
> > data format problem ("where should I look for information to go in my
> > menus, and what will it look like") is wrong.
> Sorry, I disagree fairly strongly.  I think that the menu-spec
> is a good spec, and can accomplish this.  I note that it has
> had wide spread adoption, which I see as a key validation of
> a good specification.
> In fact, I think this attitude is disastrous.  People keep
> sweeping very simple problems (making a menu appear is not
> rocket science) under the carept in the hopes that some
> beautiful, grand unifying scheme will emerge.
> I think simple, reasonably granular, specs like the
> menu spec an be packaged together to form a basis for the first
> desktop LSB spec, and I further believe that it will
> be a Good Thing (TM).
> Cheers,
> Jeremy

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