XDG Icon Spec: requesting new icons for headsets, speakers, headphones

[Lennart Poettering]

On Tue, 12.05.09 17:40, Rodney Dawes (dobey.pwns at gmail.com) wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:19 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Sat, 02.05.09 16:14, Lennart Poettering (mzkqt at 0pointer.de) wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 21.04.09 01:41, Lennart Poettering (mzkqt at 0pointer.de) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I am still convinced that having these four (or five) icon names for
> > > > all things audio woul be sufficient:
> > > > 
> > > >     audio-card          --- the generic icon for everything audio that has no or an unknown form factor 
> > > >     audio-headset       --- Mono/Duplex audio devices that are attached to one's head
> > > >     audio-headphones    --- Stereo/Playback only audio devices that are  attached to one's head  
> > > >     audio-speakers      --- Standalone speakers. Black boxes
> > > >     audio-handsfree     --- handsfree devices, no priority
> > > > 
> > > > That would only require the addition of three (or four) new
> > > > icons. That's it. No renaming. No discussions about hierarchies. 
> > > 
> > > Rodney, please, can we agree on these icons now?
> 
> I really would like input from someone other than you. Someone else that
> would be using the same icons in their software. People that use the
> icons that I recommended renaming. But apparently the community just
> doesn't care. 

During the more than two months since I requested these icons at least
Bastien Nocera, David Faure, Stephan Arts, Jakob Petsovits, you and me
commented on the thread. Makes six. That's not that bad is it?
Certainly more than "nobody cares".

Obviously only the the people who work on audio infrastructure are
interested in icons related to audio infrastructure. Any maybe those
folks actually agree that these icons would be a good addition. And
that's the reason together with the fact that they are grown up that
they refrained from posting stupid "+1" mails.

I am pretty sure I can convince Bastien and Jon McCan to post "+1"
mails if that makes you happy, though.

If 'missing feedback' is the reason that this whole thing takes that
long, it would have been good to say so earlier!

> Developers will either use what's available, demand
> something else be added, or just use whatever they want anyway. The
> latter 2 seem to be the common case, unfortunately.

So, you think it is 'unfortunate' that I asked for those three new
icons?

> > I decided to just go ahead and make use of these icons names
> > now. I have been trying to get this into the spec now for two
> > months, unsuccessfully. 
> > 
> > Disappointed,
> >         Lennart
> > 
> 
> Just as I am as well. I've no problem adding and renaming icons in the
> spec, but we really need community input, and not one developer
> demanding a few icons without any real consensus. Why does no one want
> to be involved, yet everyone wants to complain? It's ridiculous.

No, it's not ridiculuous. 

Maybe not everyone really wants to take part on large ML threads about
whether headphones are more like a headset or more like external
speakers. Because while having those icons certainly matters, that
kind of hierarchy nobody cares about. 

Also, you overestimating the size of our community. It's a simple fact
that we could use more people working on almost every project. If you
got feedback form 6 people on a particular change, then you should
feel really really lucky -- and not complain about it.

Lennart

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