[Xesam] [nepomuk-kde] An open-source project for desktop ontology maintenance

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

2009/5/8 Sebastian Trüg <strueg at mandriva.com>:
> I understand your concerns with Oscaf. As for the paying members: this is only
> intended for industry players. KDE for example is a non-paying member.

How doe one become a non-paying member? I just checked out the
application form and I was not sure if that was the right way... Of
course the first question is really whether it makes sense if we form
a real organization for Xesam and sign that one up. I have not given
this a lot of thought yet, but any comments would be welcome.

> Apart from that Oscaf is not very active yet and in the near future you can
> expect us (the Xesam and Nepomuk-KDE community) to be the most active. Players
> like Nokia will also mostly (if not entirely) contribute though open-source
> channels (again: Xesam, probably Evgeny and Philip). The same is true for
> Mandriva.
> AFAICT we simply are the most important users of the ontologies to date. So it
> makes sense to get in there and make the Xesam/Nepomuk-KDE voice heard.
>
> Still, this does not solve the technical aspects since Oscaf has no bug
> tracking or code hosting system (apart from the sf project Leo created).

And mailing lists? I could not find any public mailing lists on the
oscaf.org site or the SF project page...

> So the Oscaf question is not really worth discussing. We should be in there,
> we are in there. The question is where do we (and this already means Xesam and
> the rest of the Oscaf members) host the code and the bugs. Where do we
> discuss. And like that I am back to a platform other than Xesam or Nepomuk.
> But I will not follow that road again. :P
> Thus, in conclusion: don't be afraid of Oscaf, we have the opportunity to
> shape it, to make it act the way we need. Because the buzzwords on the oscaf
> page AFAIK are all there is.

Ok, so what we need to do now is just getting to it! :-) I really
don't care how or where those lists are hosted, only that we get stuff
done to make the FOSS desktop the coolest platform to do
searching/semantic stuff on.


Cheers,
Mikkel


> On Thursday 07 May 2009 23:09:18 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
>> 2009/5/7 Evgeny Egorochkin <phreedom.stdin at gmail.com>:
>> > On 7 мая 2009 13:41:18 Roberto Guido wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sebastian Faubel
>> >>
>> >> <sebastian.faubel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 11:41 +0200, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>> >> >> The OSCAF
>> >> >> foundation has been set up by NEPOMUK participants (KDE is among
>> >> >> them) and its goals align with those of KDE.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, I missed this detail...
>> >> In previous mails (by Trueg, probably...) "neutrality" was one
>> >> argument. And OSCAF is not "neutral" at all, in a standardization
>> >> scenario. Or I misunderstood "neutrality"?
>> >
>> > OSCAF was supposed to be a place to do maintenance of nepomuk. So it's
>> > pretty neutral for any of participants and participant list is not closed
>> > as such. Or you whould clarify what kind of neutrality you expect?
>>
>> What is a participant in OSCAF? As far as I can read on oscaf.org one
>> has to pay money to be a member... Also the project and governance
>> structure is heavily (like _heavily_) geared towards an industry setup
>> and not for a grass-roots, fast moving, do-it-our-selves, kinda
>> movement... Reading the pages it seems like an insurmountable task to
>> tackle in spare-time-only at least.
>>
>> I must admit that reading the pages on oscaf.org (organization and
>> membership pages) leaves me a bit intimidated. And also leaves me
>> questionable whether simply spinning off a vigilante sourceforge
>> project will help collaboration... But I really am still puzzled about
>> this whole oscaf deal. It seems that some people on the lists are into
>> the inner workings behind this, perhaps they can enlighten everybody?
>>
>> >> or opening Nepomuk to standardization (so: why depend on OSCAF?) ?
>> >
>> > Sorry I don't understand what you mean here. Standardization at what
>> > level/ for what purpose/by whom etc?
>>
>> I think the deal is that Roberto (very understandably) is not well
>> informed about OSCAF (neither am I). As far as I can see there really
>> is no question here... If we want to continue with Nepomuk we must
>> collaborate with OSCAF - and I think this is what the industry players
>> here want (notably Nokia and Mandriva, but this is pure guesswork).
>>
>> > If Xesam doesn't want to become a fork of Nepomuk, we have to have some
>> > dialogue with OSCAF. If OSCAF doesn't want Xesam to be come a fork of
>> > Nepomuk, they have to somehow listen to Xesam. It's pretty simple --
>> > dialogue is the key.
>>
>> As I read this paragraph it means that it is paramount that we stay
>> under the Xesam umbrella to have a common, more powerful, voice in the
>> OSCAF community.
>>
>> I urge anyone to go read the pages on the whole OSCAF setup on
>> oscaf.org before they voice their opinions here (be warned though if
>> you are buzzword allergic you should do some antihistamines before
>> going there :-D).
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Cheers,
Mikkel