[Clipart] Old Books with illustrations

[Jon Phillips]

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 21:36 -0400, Russell Ossendryver wrote:
> >Now whether someone downloading an image, making a sketch of it using
> >their favorite SVG editor, and then uploading it to OpenClipArt.org is
> >covered under their personal use clause, is up for debate.
> 
> Yes that is a debate :)  I would think that one can. I little futher
> investigating, they are charging a commercial fee for High Resolution
> image  they will deliver.
> 
> The public domian images scanned are available from many other sources
> who have also scanned the same image. For example:
> 
> http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?keyword=Brookshaw%2C+George%2C&submit.x=20&submit.y=13
> 
> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-47%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=+George+Brookshaw&btnG=Search+Images

That's what it sounds like to me. If really curious ask on the
cc-community list for clarification: http://creativecommons.org/discuss

To me, and I'm not a lawyer, the statement by NYPL sounds very badly
crafted. I think Russell is right on with this point though that it is
public domain, but they charge a fee for any services to copy, provide
and I think are weakly confusing people to feel like they have to use
their service...

I think proceed!

Jon

> 
> On 4/25/07, Roan Horning <Roan at horning.us> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > See the "Conditions of Use" section on their website at url
> > http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dghelp_using.cfm
> >
> > Here's the gist of it from that section:
> >
> >   CONDITIONS OF USE
> >
> >   NYPL Digital Gallery contains hundreds of thousands of digital images
> > of historical materials from the Research Libraries' and Branch
> > Libraries' original, rare, and specialized holdings. Images may be
> > freely downloaded for personal, research, and study purposes only.
> >
> >   As the physical rights holder of this material, most of which is in the
> > public domain for copyright purposes, the Library charges a usage fee
> > to license an image for commercial use (defined above). The usage fee
> > is not a copyright fee. You are free to obtain a copy of these images
> > from a source other than NYPL. Usage fees help ensure that the Library
> > is able to continue to acquire, preserve and provide access to its
> > collections.
> >
> >   For information on ordering images and permissions, including but not
> > limited to any type of publication or commercial use, contact The
> > Library's Photographic Services & Permissions office.
> >
> > Now whether someone downloading an image, making a sketch of it using
> > their favorite SVG editor, and then uploading it to OpenClipArt.org is
> > covered under their personal use clause, is up for debate.  It might be
> > best to contact them and see what their position on this is.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Roan
> >
> >
> >
> > > Great link.
> > >
> > > The http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/ also scan pic of old
> > books, They say the images are Public Domian but have terms for
> > > commercial uses?
> > >
> > > On 4/25/07, Ryan <ryan at lennox.com.au> wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the link Ted! Some of those piccies are pretty good...
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> ryanlerch
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: clipart-bounces at lists.freedesktop.org [mailto:clipart-
> > >> > bounces at lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gould
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2007 2:39 AM
> > >> > To: Clipart List
> > >> > Subject: [Clipart] Old Books with illustrations
> > >> >
> > >> > Hey everyone,
> > >> >
> > >> > I got an e-mail with Liam Quin's signature:
> > >> >
> > >> > --- Start Sig ---
> > >> > Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/
> > Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/
> > >> > Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org
> > >> > --- End Sig ---
> > >> >
> > >> > Which has an interesting site that he works on with pictures from old
> > books.  TONS of really neat illustrations.  These should be out of
> > copyright, so they are prime candidates for vectorization.
> > >> >
> > >> >               --Ted
> > >> >
> > >> > PS - Probably should have put the sig markers in XML considering
> > who's sig it is ;)
> > >>
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